New 'Wood' machine from MILLENNIUM

Scally · Post by **Scally** » Thu May 25, 2017 9:34 am

Hi Guys,

I'm just a little bit jealous that you all have a new toy, I chose to ignore this one and am patiently waiting for my Square Off Chess Computer.

Cheers,

Al.

Post by **Steve B** » Thu May 25, 2017 9:38 am

Scally wrote:Hi Guys,

I'm just a little bit jealous that you all have a new toy, I chose to ignore this one and am patiently waiting for my Square Off Chess Computer.

Cheers,

Al.

your call Al but i will leave you with this one small thought
Piece Recognition boards ...

dont come along every day regards
Steve

steffen · Post by **steffen** » Thu May 25, 2017 9:49 am

Steve B wrote:
Steve B wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:
hopefully Millennium will sell extra piece sets
one big problem with piece recognition boards
if one piece goes defective..you cant play a game

Unpacking Regards
Steve
Yes, Steve, one retailer in Germany is already selling a full set of spare chessmen (including 2 extra queens) for 99.95 Euros.
Thanks for the Info Steffen
i used a piece from the Rev II,Tasc and Bavaria piece sets just to see if they would work with the MCGE...No Go

Spare Tire Regards
Steve

Steve, Millennium uses a different technique for the piece recognition.
Michael, the spare chessmen are offered by topschach.

xchessg · Post by **xchessg** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:04 am

Steve B wrote:
your call Al but i will leave you with this one small thought
Piece Recognition boards ...

dont come along every day regards
Steve

Exactly

My first Millenium is in the mail... I had made my mind up to wait until further updates included more interesting engines... Still couldn't help myself and I ordered... Maybe it was that exclusive letering on the box that reminded me of the Mephisto brand...

Anyway, I really really hope that this exclusive does fulfill its potential... I have to much examples lying around here that held much potential never to be made true...

addicted sucker regards

Xavier

Post by **Steve B** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:31 am

Seems the computer does not show the search depth(8 ply...9 ply...etc..etc)
it will show the total possible moves and the current move it is considering(18/34 for example) but not the depth

an odd thing to leave out in the Info display

Depth Defying Regards
Steve

steffen · Post by **steffen** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:35 am

steffen wrote:Okay, I made the BT-2630 position tests for the Millennium Chess Genius EXCLUSIVE.

The result is an ELO of 2392.

BT 2630 Millennium Chess Genius EXCLUSIVE

Test Seconds
number
1 10
2 15
3 8
4 10
5 10
6 1
7 1
8 6
9 900
10 1
11 1
12 3
13 187
14 1
15 61
16 900
17 3
18 5
19 9
20 10
21 900
22 10
23 900
24 900
25 82
26 900
27 1
28 376
29 900
30 39
Total time 7150

ELO 2392

(Result of test 3 corrected: 8 seconds instead of 35 seconds; ELO 2392 instead of 2391)

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:43 am

The major problem is IMO the lack of opponents.

Stockfish is too strong.

So on the Pewatronic there is Madchess2. As it seems Madchess2 can be beaten by exclusive.

On the much faster DGT Pi you have more engines to try.
But the DGT Pi runs with 1.2 GHz and is a quadcore, although so far not all engines use this power.

Millennium Chess Genius exclusive runs with 300 MHz.
Pewatronic grandmaster runs with 900 MHz.

On the DGT Pi I tried so far arasan set to 2300 elo and Texel. With arasan I had the feeling the reduction of elo works. With texel i doubt it is reduced. It killed the exclusive. Switched to rodent II but i found only personalities. I tried Fischer but it seems to strong.
I will now try a slow pc. I have a pc that runs a a Slow via CPU without fan and still has dos. I will give it a try against chess system tal.

Running in CSTAL white from the first dos Tal engine
CSTAL calculates a speed rating of 24113, that is 224% of a Pentium pro 200.
CSTAL says on this pc it has 2488 ELO.

In Arena i get Arena mark 1.63 with CPUefficiency 0.46

That is very low indeed.
Arena says it has 533 MHz.

Chess system tal makes around 9300 NPS on that fossile pc.
But the advantage is that running windows 98 i can let Millennium Chess genius exclusive against all kind of KNOWN chess programs !!!

steffen · Post by **steffen** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:44 am

Steve B wrote:Seems the computer does not show the search depth(8 ply...9 ply...etc..etc)
it will show the total possible moves and the current move it is considering(18/34 for example) but not the depth

an odd thing to leave out in the Info display

Depth Defying Regards
Steve

Steve, it shows the depth:
It is the VERY FIRST digit on the left upper part of the display (you might think that this is the move number, but it is the depth number).

donkeylane · Post by **donkeylane** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:51 am

I'm still deliberating the merits of the MCGE,I have the Revelation 11,the Tasc R30 and the CGPro,and there is no disappointment in any of them,but the one I use most,nostalgia or affection,is the R30,and having injured myself at work recently,a torn meniscus in my knee,and an extended spell of absence there are other priorities at the moment,the MCGE sounds good ,but seems to make the quirky mistakes of yesteryear,even so not as many quirky mistakes as humans,at the moment I am happy with 2 piece recognition systems.

Scally · Post by **Scally** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:04 am

your call Al but i will leave you with this one small thought
Piece Recognition boards ...

dont come along every day regards
Steve

Fair point Steve. My collection has probably tripled over the past year and there's nowhere else to hide it, the misses has started to notice.

She doesn't know about the Square Off yet either.

I have both a Mephisto Tournament Machine and a Rev2 as Piece Recognition boards, but I haven't ruled it out completely yet.

Cheers,

Al.

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:04 am

It can be that the tasc r30 gets beaten by this millennium beast.

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:33 am

mclane wrote: I will now try a slow pc. I have a pc that runs a a Slow via CPU without fan and still has dos. I will give it a try against chess system tal.

Running in CSTAL white from the first dos Tal engine
CSTAL calculates a speed rating of 24113, that is 224% of a Pentium pro 200.
CSTAL says on this pc it has 2488 ELO.

If you have a very fast PC you could also try playing against DOSBox with D-Fend and Dynamic and Max Settings. My feeling is that you should have potentially quite a few strong opponents such as the Rebels, Fritz, Genius, Hiarcs, M-Chess etc to play against if the PC is fast enough like an I7.

That brings a whole new life to the DOS programs.

Also a Mysticum if you have one at 1000 MHz which boots with CPUID would let you boot it up at 500 MHz and that would give every engine ever written to play against which is thousands of them.

Best regards

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Thu May 25, 2017 12:04 pm

The pc runs with only 533 MHz, IMO this is a reliable machine,
A other solution would be to emulate dos on the mobile. I will benchmark chess system tal on this and come with the data so we can relate it to the 533 MHz via CPU.

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Thu May 25, 2017 12:29 pm

mclane wrote:The pc runs with only 533 MHz, IMO this is a reliable machine,
A other solution would be to emulate dos on the mobile. I will benchmark chess system tal on this and come with the data so we can relate it to the 533 MHz via CPU.

If you get the chance out of curiosity let Rebel 10 do its cpu test and see what it scores. I will do the same with my 4 GHz PC and a Dell I5 2.6 GHZ Laptop.

Best regards

Scally · Post by **Scally** » Thu May 25, 2017 12:55 pm

Hi all,

I was just looking online and the best price I can see in the UK is £749 marked down from £799, that's $970.

I can get one on eBay in dollars for less than that including a huge $90 delivery.

Why so expensive over here?

Al.