History will record the winner in 2007 as Hiarcs. Nobody remembers who came 2nd.turbojuice1122 wrote:Congratulations on your shared first place in Paderborn!
Paderborn 2007 - HIARCS WINS!
Moderators: Harvey Williamson, Watchman
Forum rules
This textbox is used to restore diagrams posted with the [d] tag before the upgrade.
This textbox is used to restore diagrams posted with the [d] tag before the upgrade.
- Harvey Williamson
- Site Admin
- Posts: 6079
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:57 am
- Location: Media City, UK
- Contact:
- Dylan Sharp
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2431
- Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:07 am
...and a happy new year!
What a great success finally in old year! Would'nt it be even greater for selling Hiarcs and helping development of the next big step 12 to give 11.9 to the old and the new users?
The first ones as well as the others would surely hope for an update price for 12 and beating Rybka 64bit with an Hiarcs 32bit look forward twice as impatiently to Hiarcs 64bit to buy it as a must-have again
Sincerely
Peter.
P.S. Probably it would be even better sales strategy than of chessbase with fritz 11 SP awaiting deepfritz 11 later on.
What a great success finally in old year! Would'nt it be even greater for selling Hiarcs and helping development of the next big step 12 to give 11.9 to the old and the new users?
The first ones as well as the others would surely hope for an update price for 12 and beating Rybka 64bit with an Hiarcs 32bit look forward twice as impatiently to Hiarcs 64bit to buy it as a must-have again
Sincerely
Peter.
P.S. Probably it would be even better sales strategy than of chessbase with fritz 11 SP awaiting deepfritz 11 later on.
- Harvey Williamson
- Site Admin
- Posts: 6079
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:57 am
- Location: Media City, UK
- Contact:
Your wrong I would have congratulated Vas and Jeroen as they have congratulated me. btw there is no shared 1st prize - we got the first prize and Rybka got the 2nd.Dylan Sharp wrote:Then history is unfair. And you'd probably be doing the same if Hiarcs won a shared first prize, with the Hiarcs and Rybka's order, reversed.Harvey Williamson wrote:History will record the winner in 2007 as Hiarcs. Nobody remembers who came 2nd.
To quote Jeroen:
He then said to people on the Rybka Forum:In the end we ended on 5.5 points, just like Hiarcs. Hiarcs won because of the better Bochholz score, something we already knew before the last round was started: a simple calculation showed that a Hiarcs victory was enough to clinch victory. Of course I'd like to congratulate the Hiarcs team for this splendid achievement! Mark, Harvey, Sebastian, well done!
In a Soccer League if points are = they use things like Goal difference/average to decide the winner this is no different.I hope you liked our live coverage and of course don't be too depressed because of '2nd spot only'
Last edited by Harvey Williamson on Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:00 am, edited 4 times in total.
- Harvey Williamson
- Site Admin
- Posts: 6079
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:57 am
- Location: Media City, UK
- Contact:
- Sebastian Boehme
- Member
- Posts: 264
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:59 am
- Location: Bernburg (Germany)
- Contact:
Hi fellows,
I agree with Harvey and this is what belongs to sportmanship in chess: To accept that somebody won.
Jeroen Noomen came to me after the win of Hiarcs was official and saying: "Congratulations, Hiarcs deserves it."
I think this is what one should call real sportsmanship and I would have done the same at Jeroen's point.
Sometimes there can only be one winner, no matter how equal the scores are, the Buchholz-Rating decided it all this time and thus there is only 1 winner.
Kind regards,
Sebastian Boehme
I agree with Harvey and this is what belongs to sportmanship in chess: To accept that somebody won.
Jeroen Noomen came to me after the win of Hiarcs was official and saying: "Congratulations, Hiarcs deserves it."
I think this is what one should call real sportsmanship and I would have done the same at Jeroen's point.
Sometimes there can only be one winner, no matter how equal the scores are, the Buchholz-Rating decided it all this time and thus there is only 1 winner.
Kind regards,
Sebastian Boehme
- turbojuice1122
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2315
- Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:11 pm
Generally when I hear about winners of tournaments, then they say "equal first" if there was a tie, no matter what particular "tie-breaking" rules were used. If Paderborn "officially" only gives the prize to the winner via their particular arbitrary tie-break rules (e.g. if Sofia rules were used, which actually probably are more accurate for determining who is "better" since it really does seem to be easier to score two draws than one win, then Rybka would have "won"), then they are making a technical error, but if there is no other way to do it and that's what the rules specify, then fine. The proper way to remember it is that Hiarcs and Rybka were co-winners with Hiarcs having the benefit of the tie-breaking rules that were used. My congratulations to the Hiarcs team would be the same no matter which rules were used: they scored enough points in the tournament to tie with Rybka at the end.History will record the winner in 2007 as Hiarcs. Nobody remembers who came 2nd.
- Harvey Williamson
- Site Admin
- Posts: 6079
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:57 am
- Location: Media City, UK
- Contact:
And I am sure you would be posting this stuff if Rybka had been awarded the winturbojuice1122 wrote:Generally when I hear about winners of tournaments, then they say "equal first" if there was a tie, no matter what particular "tie-breaking" rules were used. If Paderborn "officially" only gives the prize to the winner via their particular arbitrary tie-break rules (e.g. if Sofia rules were used, which actually probably are more accurate for determining who is "better" since it really does seem to be easier to score two draws than one win, then Rybka would have "won"), then they are making a technical error, but if there is no other way to do it and that's what the rules specify, then fine. The proper way to remember it is that Hiarcs and Rybka were co-winners with Hiarcs having the benefit of the tie-breaking rules that were used. My congratulations to the Hiarcs team would be the same no matter which rules were used: they scored enough points in the tournament to tie with Rybka at the end.History will record the winner in 2007 as Hiarcs. Nobody remembers who came 2nd.
- Dylan Sharp
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2431
- Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:07 am
- Steve B
- Site Admin
- Posts: 10144
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:02 am
- Location: New York City USofA
- Contact:
Very Good DylanDylan Sharp wrote:
Then again, Hiarcs won unshared first place (even if due to a technicality.) I had to change my opinion since even Jeroen accepts 2nd place.
soon you will have even more on your mind..
a Rybkian loss to a human GM in an 8 game match
Joel Benjamin Sends His New Years Regards
Steve
-
- CSVN
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:40 am
- Location: Amsterdam
- Contact:
Nope, those are only the Hiarcs games.Harvey Williamson wrote:http://www.hiarcs.com/Games/pader07/pader07.pgn
Download all the games in pgn format.
I provided the webmaster of the official site with normalised PGN
for all games.
http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/~IPCCC/IP ... /games.pgn
Congratulations and Happy New Year!
Theo
- Dylan Sharp
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2431
- Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:07 am
I wouldn't bet my life on it. Possibly Rybka is going to use a new "Undrawable" personality that eventually will crush the GM.Steve B wrote:a Rybkian loss to a human GM in an 8 game match
And I'd be happy if this happens, otherwise that would mean that White can draw at will, no matter the opponent. This would be bad for the game.
- Steve B
- Site Admin
- Posts: 10144
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:02 am
- Location: New York City USofA
- Contact:
actually i think if the Human GM wins it means that humans can still compete on an even level against the computer as White without unnatural odds of material or time..which changes the fundamental gameDylan Sharp wrote:I wouldn't bet my life on it. Possibly Rybka is going to use a new "Undrawable" personality that eventually will crush the GM.Steve B wrote:a Rybkian loss to a human GM in an 8 game match
And I'd be happy if this happens, otherwise that would mean that White can draw at will, no matter the opponent. This would be bad for the game.
as Black..i think they can no longer compete on an even level
GM 5 or 6 ..Rybka 3 or 2 Regards
Steve
- Dylan Sharp
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2431
- Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:07 am