Houdini Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess Syst

[Anthony.R.Brown]

Houdini Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1fVAALg7tc[/youtube]


Regards Anthony.R.Brown

[Harvey Williamson]

Hi Anthony,

Welcome to the forum. I hope you don't mind but I edited your post so the video will play here!

Cheers,
Harvey

[Anthony.R.Brown]

Thank you Harvey...it's Very Good!

[Anthony.R.Brown]

OK!...

So it has been pointed out that at move (19) Houdini-White should have Played Bxb5 instead of B-b3 ?

The game was played at 60 seconds each per move...and that's why Houdini did not find the move!

So how long do we wait for a Computer to find the Best move in any Position?
.............................

To find the move Houdini would of had to search to 23/65 not possible in the Game with the time controls set...

Plus more important a lot of the Computers previous Analysis was waisted looking at the wrong Black replies!?

The Analysis can now Start to see if Black can Win by not Playing 18-b5 and playing a better move!

This can of course go on forever until the end of the Game Tree ? until every variation has been played...Then Humans will Stop playing Chess!!

A.R.B

[Anthony.R.Brown]

[Event "The A.R.B Chess System-Game 01-Analysis Deeper"]
[Date "2013.07.27"]
[Origin "Great Britain"]
[White "Houdini.Chess Program"]
[White-Elo "3000+"]
[Black "Anthony.R.Brown"]
[Black-Elo "?"]
[Opening "The A.R.B Chess System"]
[Time "60 Seconds Each Per Move"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d6 {last book move} 3.
Nf3 h6 {Prevents intrusion on g5} 4. Nc3 a6 {Secures b5} 5. Bd3 g6 6. O-O b6 7.
Be3 Bg7 8. Qd2 Bb7 9. d5 {White gets more space} e5 10. a4 Ne7 {
Black should quickly conclude development.} 11. Ne1 g5 12. Bc4 f5 {
Attacks the pawn chain} 13. f3 f4 {Black gains space} 14. Bf2 Ng6 15. Qe2 h5
16. a5 Ke7 17. axb6 cxb6 18. Nd3 b5 19. Bb3 Qc8 {Black plans g4} 20. Rad1 g4
21. Kh1 Bf6 22. Rg1 Nd7 23. Rgf1 Qg8 24. Nb4 Kf7 25. Nc6 {
White can be proud of that piece} Nh4 26. Rg1 Re8 27. Qe1 Qg5 28. Nb1 Reg8 {
Black intends g3} 29. c4 $4 {weakening the position} (29. Ba2 $142 $14 {
would allow White to play on}) 29... g3 $17 30. hxg3 fxg3 31. Be3 Qg4 32. Rf1 (
32. fxg4 $4 {materialistic play, which will be punished} hxg4 33. Qxg3 Nf5+ 34.
Qh3 Nxe3 $19 (34... Rxh3+ 35. gxh3 Nxe3 36. Rde1 $16)) 32... Nxf3 33. Rxf3 h4
34. Bf2 h3 (34... gxf2 $6 {is the less attractive alternative} 35. Qxf2 (35.
Rxf2 $4 h3 36. g3 Qxg3 37. Rxf6+ Nxf6 38. Qxg3 Rxg3 $19) 35... Ke8 36. Nc3 $11)
35. Rxg3 hxg2+ 36. Kxg2 Qh3+ 37. Kf3 Rxg3+ 38. Bxg3 Nc5 39. Qh1 Qxh1+ (39...
Nxb3 $6 {is clearly worse} 40. Qxh3 Rxh3 41. Kg2 $11) 40. Rxh1 Rxh1 41. Bc2
Bxc6 42. dxc6 b4 43. c7 Rh8 44. Nd2 Rc8 45. Nb3 Rxc7 46. Ke2 (46. Nxc5 {
cannot change what is in store for ?} dxc5 (46... Rxc5 $6 47. Be1 $19) 47. Bf2
Ke6 $19) 46... Na4 47. Na5 Nxb2 48. Be1 Nxc4 (48... Ke6 {
and Black can already relax} 49. Bxb4 Rh7 50. Kd2 $19) 49. Nxc4 (49. Bb3 d5 50.
Bxb4 $19) 49... Rxc4 $17 50. Bd3 $4 {White falls apart} (50. Bb3 d5 51. Bxc4
dxc4 52. Bxb4 $19) 50... Rd4 $19 51. Bf2 (51. Bd2 {
doesn't change the outcome of the game} b3 $19) 51... Rxd3 52. Kxd3 Bd8 53. Kc4
a5 54. Ba7 Bc7 55. Be3 Kg6 56. Kd5 (56. Bc1 $19 {hoping against hope}) 56... b3
57. Bc1 a4 58. Kc4 (58. Ba3 {does not save the day} Bb6 59. Kc4 Bc5 60. Bb2 Bd4
61. Kb4 Bxb2 62. Kxa4 Kg5 63. Kxb3 Bd4 64. Kc4 Kf4 65. Kd3 Kf3 66. Kc2 Kxe4 67.
Kd2 Kf3 68. Kc2 e4 69. Kb3 e3 70. Kb4 Ke4 71. Kb5 Kd5 72. Kb4 e2 73. Kb3 e1=Q
74. Kc2 Bc3 75. Kb3 Qa1 76. Kc2 Qb2+ 77. Kd1 Qd2#) 58... Bb6 59. Kb4 Be3 $1 {
it's best to give back material} 60. Bb2 (60. Bxe3 {Deflection from b2} b2)
60... Bd4 61. Ka3 Bxb2+ 62. Kxa4 Kg5 63. Kxb3 Bd4 64. Kc4 (64. Kc2 {
doesn't change anything anymore} Kf4 65. Kd3 Ba1 66. Ke2 Kxe4 67. Kd2 d5 68.
Kc2 d4 69. Kd2 Bc3+ 70. Ke2 d3+ 71. Kd1 Kd4 72. Kc1 e4 73. Kb1 e3 74. Ka2 Kc4
75. Ka3 e2 76. Ka2 e1=Q 77. Ka3 Qa1#) 64... Kf4 65. Kd3 Ba1 66. Ke2 Kxe4 67.
Kd2 d5 68. Kc2 d4 69. Kb1 (69. Kd1 {is not much help} Bc3 70. Ke2 d3+ 71. Kd1
Kd4 72. Kc1 e4 73. Kd1 e3 74. Kc1 e2 75. Kb1 e1=Q+ 76. Ka2 Kc4 77. Ka3 Qa1#)
69... d3 70. Kc1 Ke3 71. Kd1 e4 (71... d2 $142 $19 {might be the shorter path})
72. Ke1 Kf3 73. Kd1 e3 74. Kc1 Kf2 75. Kb1 e2 76. Kxa1 d2 (76... e1=Q+ 77. Kb2
Qb4+ 78. Ka1 d2 79. Ka2 d1=N 80. Ka1 Qb2#) 77. Kb2 d1=Q 78. Kc3 e1=Q+ 79. Kc4
Qe4+ 80. Kc5 (80. Kb5 {is no salvation} Qb3+ 81. Ka5 Qa8#) 80... Qda4 81. Kb6
Qec6# 0-1

[Anthony.R.Brown]

Event "Sochi"]
[Site "Sochi"]
[Date "1964.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Boris Spassky"]
[Black "Maximilian Ujtelky"]
[ECO "B06"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "49"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 a6 4. Nf3 d6 5. Bc4 e6 6. Bg5 Ne7
7. a4 h6 8. Be3 b6 9. O-O Nd7 10. Re1 O-O 11. Qd2 Kh7 12. Rad1
Bb7 13. Qe2 Qc8 14. Bf4 Rd8 15. h4 Nf8 16. Bb3 f6 17. Nb1 e5
18. Bc1 Ne6 19. c3 Rf8 20. Na3 f5 21. dxe5 dxe5 22. Nxe5 Bxe5
23. exf5 Rxf5 24. Bc2 Rh5 25. Qxh5 1-0


[Event "Sousse Interzonal,"]
[Site "Sousse (Tunisia)"]
[Date "1967.10.25"]
[EventDate "1967.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Laszlo Barczay"]
[Black "Borislav Ivkov"]
[ECO "B06"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "42"]

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 a6 5.O-O e6 6.Bg5 Ne7 7.Qd2 h6
8.Be3 Nd7 9.Nc3 b6 10.Rfe1 Bb7 11.a4 Nf6 12.e5 Nfd5 13.Bf4
Nxc3 14.Qxc3 O-O 15.exd6 cxd6 16.Qa3 Nf5 17.c3 Bxf3 18.gxf3 e5
19.Bg3 h5 20.dxe5 dxe5 21.Kh1 Qg5 0-1



The Main (A.R.B.C.S) Opening line...
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d6 3. Nf3 h6 4. Nc3 a6 5. Bd3 g6 6. O-O b6 7. Be3 Bg7
8. Qd2 Bb7 9. d5 e5


Anthony.R.Brown – 30/07/2013

[Anthony.R.Brown]

[Event "The A.R.B Chess System-Game 01- Scores For White"]
[Date "2013.07.27"]
[Origin "Great Britain"]
[White "Houdini.Chess Program"]
[White-Elo "3000+"]
[Black "Anthony.R.Brown"]
[Black-Elo "?"]
[Opening "The A.R.B Chess System"]
[Time "60 Seconds Each Per Move"]
[Result "0-1"]


Below are the Moves as Played in the Game!...
So its Easier to Duplicate the Game Against Houdini.
Set Houdini's Thinking time to (60) Seconds Fixed.
You should also try to Play at about the Same Speed!
If you Play too Quick! it may Change the Response Moves by Houdini ?
P.S you may have to Enter the First (2) Moves Each as the Opening Choice for Houdini!
as that was it's Choice for the Game.


1. e4 e6
2. d4 d6
3. Nf3 h6
4. Nc3 a6
5. Bd3 g6
6. O-O b6
7. Be3 Bg7
8. Qd2 Bb7
9. d5 e5
10. a4 Ne7
11. Ne1 g5
12. Bc4 f5
13. f3 f4
15. Qe2 h5
16. a5 Ke7
17. axb6 cxb6
18. Nd3 b5
19. Bb3 Qc8
20. Rad1 g4
21. Kh1 Bf6
22. Rg1 Nd7
23. Rgf1 Qg8
24. Nb4 Kf7
25. Nc6 Nh4
26. Rg1 Re8
27. Qe1 Qg5
28. Nb1 Reg8
29. c4 g3
30. hxg3 fxg3
31. Be3 Qg4
32. Rf1 Nxf3
33. Rxf3 h4
34. Bf2 h3
35. Rxg3 hxg2+
36. Kxg2 Qh3+
37. Kf3 Rxg3+
38. Bxg3 Nc5
39. Qh1 Qxh1+
40. Rxh1 Rxh1
41. Bc2 Bxc6
42. dxc6 b4
43. c7 Rh8
44. Nd2 Rc8
45. Nb3 Rxc7
46. Ke2 Na4
47. Na5 Nxb2
48. Be1 Nxc4
49. Nxc4 Rxc4
50. Bd3 Rd4
51. Bf2 Rxd3
52. Kxd3 Bd8
53. Kc4 a5
54. Ba7 Bc7
55. Be3 Kg6
57. Bc1 a4
58. Kc4 Bb6
59. Kb4 Be3
60. Bb2 Bd4
61. Ka3 Bxb2+
62. Kxa4 Kg5
63. Kxb3 Bd4
64. Kc4 Kf4
65. Kd3 Ba1
66. Ke2 Kxe4
67. Kd2 d5
68. Kc2 d4
69. Kb1 d3
70. Kc1 Ke3
71. Kd1 e4
72. Ke1 Kf3
73. Kd1 e3
74. Kc1 Kf2
75. Kb1 e2
76. Kxa1 d2
77. Kb2 d1=Q
78. Kc3 e1=Q+
79. Kc4 Qe4+
80. Kc5 Qda4
81. Kb6 Qec6#
0-1

[ricard60]

OK!...

So it has been pointed out that at move (19) Houdini-White should have Played Bxb5 instead of B-b3 ?

The game was played at 60 seconds each per move...and that's why Houdini did not find the move!

So how long do we wait for a Computer to find the Best move in any Position?
.............................

To find the move Houdini would of had to search to 23/65 not possible in the Game with the time controls set...

Plus more important a lot of the Computers previous Analysis was waisted looking at the wrong Black replies!?

The Analysis can now Start to see if Black can Win by not Playing 18-b5 and playing a better move!

This can of course go on forever until the end of the Game Tree ? until every variation has been played...Then Humans will Stop playing Chess!!

A.R.B

Checkers have been solved by a computer but there are still a lot of guys in my town that plays checkers

chess for ever regards
Ricardo

[Arlie]

Checkers have been solved by a computer but there are still a lot of guys in my town that plays checkers

chess for ever regards
Ricardo

Well said Ricardo.
I also noticed that this same thread has been posted in numerous other chess forums under the exact same thread name.

[Anthony.R.Brown]

Quote: Ricardo

Checkers have been solved by a computer but there are still a lot of guys in my town that plays checkers

A.R.B

I Fully agree Ricardo...

When I said (This can of course go on forever until the end of the Game Tree ? until every variation has been played...Then Humans will Stop playing Chess!!)

Is the same as what you are Saying!

Computers or Humans will find different Maybe better Moves in the Future! but let's enjoy the Good Moves Now before it's Too late!

Chess will Never die Regardless...Because it will always be Compellingly Interesting! and the Reason Adults don't Play Noughts & Crosses! - Tic-Tac-Toe (Well most of the time!)

[Queegmeister]

Dr. Queeg's initial take on the ARM system

very nice plan MR BROWN !!

I appreciate the results and creativity.

However playing for a supported break on c5 and/or f5 when you play this "hedgehog/ hippopotamus followed by a king's Indian -type attack" would be my strategy thrown in with a sac or attack against the backward pawns and weaknesses created by the exchanges (if allowed)

I have not put much effort into the analysis (just looking at your game and thinking 3 minutes) But I have played against similar formations with success - they seem too slow and artificial. Still a porcupine must be approached with due caution

Allowing the locking of the center is a BIG mistake for your adversary and I would not be so obliging

Your pawn structure must be weakened and not allowed to sit undisturbed and I suspect that the moves h6 and a6 are premature and should prove to be a waste of time, as they do nothing to help control the center. certainly the premature advance to e5 or d5 is a situation you love because it takes the tension and pawn breaks on f5 and c5 out of the picture - white's energy is spent and absorbed. It makes him a candidate for a sitting duck attack.

I am NOT putting your system down as I might play it myself but there seems to be violations of basic principles. However, it should be HIGHLY effective against silicon opponents.

I still like it - but what is your plan against such pawn lever moves to break the structure down and perhaps white should not be castling into your attack either !

Above all your opponents must maintain an elastic position with dynamic chances..

looks a bit passive regards
Dr. Queeg

[Anthony.R.Brown]

Hi Queegmeister

Below from a (3000)+ ELO Player is better than what I can try to Explain!?

Please use the New link below! (Passive!)

The A.R.B Chess System - Silicon Proof!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iynl0C6-WbI

But also for more Information on How the (A.R.B.C.S) Works! below is a Help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RidiladKJVw

A.R.B

[Queegmeister]

ARB



Once again - I see the same bad strategy for white - I would like to see how ARB stands up to proper strategy that breaks the structure, etc.. as I said already. That Nf3 and Nc3 (blocking c and f pawns) , advance e or d pawn to lock center and castle to King-side is just DUMB for white. All whites dynamic options are absorbed again - so far I see nothing to refute those comments.

The computers have been very accommodating to this defense. One that learns from it's mistakes will find a challenging line that may even refute the ARM.

I do agree the computer does not understand it - I was merely trying to say that there is a much better strategy than to become a sitting duck.

Your setup is decent no doubt. But likely unsound strategically against a planning opponent with a dynamic position. I do like the re-evaluation of the pieces worth because of structure. A more position dependent set of values for the pieces is in order. the Russians win many games because the Rook's value is not 5, especially not in every situation and definitely not early in the struggle.

I stand by my analysis

A static approach (universal) to the opening is never going to work - one size does not fit all. 500 years of theory are not without merit because of one system of play. e6, d6 is not winning. It is Interesting and fun though.

My comparison to the Hippo was for a point of reference -

Nothing to make me change my analysis so far regards,
Dr. Queeg

[Queegmeister]

ARB

I will make a confession though

I WANT TO TRY IT OUT !!

ARB is definitely better than the Hippo. I give you credit for your hard work and dedication to come up with your own ideas - I praise this !!

Here's to the ARB and hoping it will work for me
Looking forward to posting some wins with your opening MR Brown !

Did I mention that I love your analysis of it regards,

Dr. Q