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Wardy wrote:No offence to Terry's hard work but having lines posted 10 ply plus deep kinda killed the game for me for some reason.
I agree. I thought that this was going to be a game in where we were going to discuss the possible moves and why are we playing them (Like I've seen at other forums), but when someone just posts a move and all the possible continuations for why it's the best move, there's nothing left to discuss.
Wardy wrote:No offence to Terry's hard work but having lines posted 10 ply plus deep kinda killed the game for me for some reason.
I agree. I thought that this was going to be a game in where we were going to discuss the possible moves and why are we playing them (Like I've seen at other forums), but when someone just posts a move and all the possible continuations for why it's the best move, there's nothing left to discuss.
I abstain.
No one discussed anything, outside of Tony Hedlund and myself.
Tony found a killer book and gave good analysis with alternatives to each variation. He also gave a very good continuation right after the opening, which was played.
I picked up from there and worked hard to bury the Res II but no here outside of myself and Tony offered moves with continuations and explanations. So blaming me makes very little sense.
Beating a computer is hard work. The Res II at an hour per move is at least as strong as playing a 40 in 2 game against a top program.
If I had a famous last name of a known IGM you would be cheering instead of sneering! Regards....
Well with the Xmas and New Years Holidays upon us this seems like as good a time as any to call it a day
34..RESIGNS
personally i was hoping for something different out of this match but i failed to anticipate being out booked by a strong database which we could have easily prohibited from the start
none the less.. i congratulate the Team for a well fought game
the mystery engine was Deep Sjeng 1.8
starting off the New Year the Team will have a formidable opponent in Hiarcs running on an 8 way box
for that game any assistance is allowed to the team
For Those of you interested in how the game looked to the Res II as it progressed ..
the following table begins after move 9 which was Deep Sjeng's first out of book move
moves 29 and 30 were virtually forced moves so i did not let the computer think for the full one hour and therefore there are no entries for Ev,Dep and Er
Deep Sjeng seems not to be such a strong engine it has also lost against mephisto atlanta and mephisto vancouver (68000) in the scachcomputer world championship 2008.
Deep Sjeng seems not to be such a strong engine it has also lost against mephisto atlanta and mephisto vancouver (68000) in the scachcomputer world championship 2008.
Thanks for having fun.
1.e4 regards
Ricardo
of course you mean the Schachcomputer Online Open Tournament
there is no World Championship as was discussed here several months ago
Also the computer that competed in this event is not running on the Res II but only on the Res I
Deep Sjeng seems not to be such a strong engine it has also lost against mephisto atlanta and mephisto vancouver (68000) in the scachcomputer world championship 2008.
Thanks for having fun.
1.e4 regards
Ricardo
of course you mean the Schachcomputer Online Open Tournament
there is no World Championship as was discussed here several months ago
Also the computer that competed in this event is not running on the Res II but only on the Res I
Clarifying Regards
Steve
I suspect under the terms of this match with the opening that was played any engine would have lost.
Deep Sjeng seems not to be such a strong engine it has also lost against mephisto atlanta and mephisto vancouver (68000) in the scachcomputer world championship 2008.
Thanks for having fun.
1.e4 regards
Ricardo
of course you mean the Schachcomputer Online Open Tournament
there is no World Championship as was discussed here several months ago
Also the computer that competed in this event is not running on the Res II but only on the Res I
Clarifying Regards
Steve
I suspect under the terms of this match with the opening that was played any engine would have lost.
I agree. In fact Tony deserves most of the credit.
RES I is not as powerful as RES II but is still way ahead in hardware power of mephisto atlanta and mephisto vancouver so i believe that this engine is not so strong. I discuss this on another section in this forum (programming discussions).
Yes that will be schachcompuetr open tournament 2008. I just took the title just like it was. Maybe if you used Rybka it would be another story.
RES I is not as powerful as RES II but is still way ahead in hardware power of mephisto atlanta and mephisto vancouver so i believe that this engine is not so strong. I discuss this on another section in this forum (programming discussions).
Yes that will be schachcompuetr open tournament 2008. I just took the title just like it was. Maybe if you used Rybka it would be another story.
Deep Sjeng regards
Ricardo
It wouldn't have made any difference, Tony's book line was and is too strong without further theory for Black.
Steve B wrote:Well with the Xmas and New Years Holidays upon us this seems like as good a time as any to call it a day
34..RESIGNS
personally i was hoping for something different out of this match but i failed to anticipate being out booked by a strong database which we could have easily prohibited from the start
none the less.. i congratulate the Team for a well fought game
the mystery engine was Deep Sjeng 1.8
starting off the New Year the Team will have a formidable opponent in Hiarcs running on an 8 way box
for that game any assistance is allowed to the team
For Those of you interested in how the game looked to the Res II as it progressed ..
the following table begins after move 9 which was Deep Sjeng's first out of book move
moves 29 and 30 were virtually forced moves so i did not let the computer think for the full one hour and therefore there are no entries for Ev,Dep and Er
MoTHD1.8EvDepEr
10 Bf4 d5 -.75 12/31 Bd3
11 Qe3 Be7 -.70 12/33 Be2
12 Be2 0-0 -.66 12/33 Qg3
13 h4 Bb4 -.55 11/33 e5
14 e5 Nd7 -.33 13/37 Rh3
15 Bxh6 Bxc3 -.36 12/41 bxc3
16 bxc3 f6 -1.12 12/41 Rh3
17 Rh3 Rf7 -1.52 11/38 Rg3
18 Rg3 Qf8 -1.52 11/36 Bh5
19 Bh5 Re7 -1.54 13/41 Bf4
20 Bf4 Nxe5 -1.54 13/35 Bxe5
21 Bxe5 fxe5 -1.47 13/31 Rf3
22 Rf3 Qd8 -1.38 13/36 Qxp
23 Qxp Bd7 -1.68 13/36 Bg6
24 Rd4 Be8 -2.28 12/36 Bg4
25 Bg4 Qb8 -2.71 12/35 Bxe6+
26 Bxe6+ Bf7 -2.87 14/37 Bxf7+
27 Bxf7+ Rxf7 -2.91 14/34 Qe6
28 Qe6 Qe8 -2.95 14/35 Qxf7+
29 Qxf7+ Qxf7 N/A N/A N/A
30 Rxf7 Kxf7 N/A N/A N/A
31 c4 Ke6 -3.08 15/31 Rg4
32 Rg4 Kf7 -3.31 15/32 cxd5
33 cxd5 cxd5 -3.36 15/32 Rg5
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Last Post From The Engine Room Regards
Steve
Good Game, Steve! The Res II played well with no errors, it was simply out-booked.
We even added to theory Steve, Black is busted in that sub-variation.
Terry McCracken wrote:It wouldn't have made any difference, Tony's book line was and is too strong without further theory for Black.
It's lost for Black after this line was played.
Terry
Terry, thanks for your kind words.
My ongoing game is played as follows:
9.Nxc6! bxc6 10.Bf4 d5 11.Qe3 Bb4! (The move to play for black)
12.Be2!? 0-0 13.e5 Nd7 14.Qg3 Kh8 15.Qh3 Bxc3 16.Qxc3 (Here I think 16.bxc3 is as good but I didn't have the nerves to play it) and we have played a couple more moves.
Terry McCracken wrote:So blaming me makes very little sense.
Sorry if I sounded like that, I was not blaming you, only ranting about how the game turned out.
Terry McCracken wrote:If I had a famous last name of a known IGM you would be cheering instead of sneering! Regards....
No, if it was Anand providing all the lines, I would have made the same rant, including the line "It's no longer Hiarcs Members vs Resurrection II Engine X, but Anand vs Resurrection II Engine X, with Hiarcs Members agreeing to all his moves", so it's nothing personal.
I didn't vote much because I knew that my votes weren't going to make any difference at all. But yes, I have to blame the engine's book line that was so bad that most moves were winning so it made no difference trying to defend a move, when the already analyzed move is good enough to win. And I have to blame us, Hiarcs Members to not try different things and discussion, but it seems we were going to win this anyway so it made no difference.
Terry McCracken wrote:It wouldn't have made any difference, Tony's book line was and is too strong without further theory for Black.
It's lost for Black after this line was played.
Terry
Terry, thanks for your kind words.
My ongoing game is played as follows:
9.Nxc6! bxc6 10.Bf4 d5 11.Qe3 Bb4! (The move to play for black)
12.Be2!? 0-0 13.e5 Nd7 14.Qg3 Kh8 15.Qh3 Bxc3 16.Qxc3 (Here I think 16.bxc3 is as good but I didn't have the nerves to play it) and we have played a couple more moves.
You're Welcome!
Your game is a bit different than what transpired in our game against the Res II. 16. bc is maybe a little better than 16. Qxc3 but the difference is less dramatic. I see why your opening was so effective, the Res II played the tame 11..Be7? and I think that's what cost it the game.
