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Re: Dedicated Test

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Terry McCracken wrote:
Dang Steve!....The Res II is virtually a PC! How many MIPS? Do you know?

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Mips?
i dont think so
more like Nips
:P

it depends on the Engine of which there are 6
the range is 10,000 Nodes per second to about 50,000 nodes per second

the Res II runs about twice as fast as the Res I(Strongarm SA1110 processor-203 Mhz-32MB Ram)which was released in 2005

Res I shown here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 76/detail/

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mclane wrote:if it is in an instant, it will be the same in 12 mhz as in x mhz.

there is something wrong with the Emulation
i tried Terry's position on the REAL Mephisto S Glasgow

it took 8 seconds to find Qg6
first it plays
Kh1
then Qd1
then Qf3
then after 8 seconds Qg6

returning a PV of +3.33

the port to the PC is making it search much faster and so it is really not similar to the Glasgow S dedicated computer
I think the photos of how it looks on a PC are similar though
:wink:

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PS...on the REAL Mephisto III it takes 30 seconds to find Qg6 returning a PV of +3.15
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Post by mclane »

there is nothing wrong.


original runs with 12 mhz.
emulation runs with 20 mhz.

i once had a mephisto III S where you could change the mhz from 12 to 24 and switch between ROMA16 bit or Glasgow program.



but you can set the emulator free. depending on your hardware it than runs with 100 or more mhz...
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mclane wrote:

original runs with 12 mhz.
emulation runs with 20 mhz.
and this is what is wrong
Why Emulate a schachcomputer that was NEVER released for sale?
why not Emulate the original computer?

the Emulation could well be the Worlds very First emulation of a modified computer!
:P

Seriously can you LOWER the emulation speed to 12Mhz ?
then this would be interesting to compare against the real computer

mclane wrote:
i once had a mephisto III S where you could change the mhz from 12 to 24 and switch between ROMA16 bit or Glasgow program.
sounds interesting but of course these are also modified computers never released for sale
perhaps someone will do an emulation of these next?

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its up to the people who program the emulator software, WHICH mhz or setting they implement.

for a user its IMO not so important if 12 or 20 mhz or 200.
maybe for a collector like you.

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i play with them. i do not collect them.
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mclane wrote:its up to the people who program the emulator software, WHICH mhz or setting they implement.

for a user its IMO not so important if 12 or 20 mhz or 200.
maybe for a collector like you.

i am a user.
i play with them. i do not collect them.
as a collector and as a player
i prefer to play and collect originally released computers

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Post by Robert Weck »

Hi Steve,
Steve B wrote: there is something wrong with the Emulation
perhaps Thorsten let the emulation run with full speed of his PC (1000% or more)

When i tested the emulation with 100% (meaning the original speed of a Motorola 68000 with 20 Mhz) it took 5 seconds to display Qxg6.

Regarding the "CPU" speed difference (20 to 12 MHz) the emulator's time seems to fit pretty exactly (5 to 8 secs)
then after 8 seconds Qg6

returning a PV of +3.33
i got the same PV here
the port to the PC is making it search much faster and so it is really not similar to the Glasgow S dedicated computer
Of course the emulation can run faster, but with 100% it should be original (regarding the speed that was given when compiling the emulator; here 20 MHz, but can also be set to 12 MHz)

But as it is not the "real thing" anyway, it is better to tune the emulation than an original Glasgow, isn't it? :wink:

And for somebody, who has no chance to get a Glasgow, it is nice to play with it...


preferring the original Glasgow too regards,
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Robert Weck wrote:Hi Steve,
Steve B wrote: there is something wrong with the Emulation
perhaps Thorsten let the emulation run with full speed of his PC (1000% or more)

When i tested the emulation with 100% (meaning the original speed of a Motorola 68000 with 20 Mhz) it took 5 seconds to display Qxg6.

Regarding the "CPU" speed difference (20 to 12 MHz) the emulator's time seems to fit pretty exactly (5 to 8 secs)
then after 8 seconds Qg6

returning a PV of +3.33
i got the same PV here
the port to the PC is making it search much faster and so it is really not similar to the Glasgow S dedicated computer
Of course the emulation can run faster, but with 100% it should be original (regarding the speed that was given when compiling the emulator; here 20 MHz, but can also be set to 12 MHz)

But as it is not the "real thing" anyway, it is better to tune the emulation than an original Glasgow, isn't it? :wink:

And for somebody, who has no chance to get a Glasgow, it is nice to play with it...


preferring the original Glasgow too regards,
Robert
hi Robert
thanks for the info

so when Thor reported qg6 in "almost an instant" then he was not using the correct emulation speed of 20 Mhz and i guess he realized that from the beginning

thats what i thought
if he was using the correct speed then of course the emulation would be defective

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Steve B wrote:so when Thor reported qg6 in "almost an instant" then
but it's the question, how somebody defines "almost an instant" :wink:

for the old Glasgow 5 secs are "instant", for a modern PC it is an eternity... :lol:


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Robert Weck wrote:
Steve B wrote:so when Thor reported qg6 in "almost an instant" then
but it's the question, how somebody defines "almost an instant" :wink:

for the old Glasgow 5 secs are "instant", for a modern PC it is an eternity... :lol:


Robert
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anyone who can say 5 seconds is "almost an instant" should be a politician
it is called "Spin Doctoring"

as i already posted..the ResII-Rybka shows only the move Qg6 as soon as i hit the enter key
it does not show or even display any other move

now THAT is an Instant

Thor For Prime Minister Regards
Steve
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