Collector's Corner..Hiarcs Forum Exclusive.Resurrection II..

[Steve B]

In yet another in a looong line of Hiarcs Chess Forum Exclusives

The Resurrection II has arrived and in addition to the engines found in the Res I it also has Rybka 2.2 and Toga 1.2

the display is like the Tasc display :

loaded with Rybka 2.2(and Noomen Book) the Elo should be very close to 2600..perhaps even a tad higher

here is a first game against the Chess Master 9000 running on my Pentium M Laptop(1.8 Ghz)

Res II draws easily

time control was 30 seconds per move
the Res II reached 10 ply easily within the 30 seconds and in the endgame as high as 14 ply

CM9k was out of book first at move 12

[White "Res II-Rybka 2.2]
[Black "CM 9000"]
[Time Control "30 Sec/avg]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.a3 Ba6 5.Qc2 Bb7 6.Nc3 c5 7.e4 cxd4 8.Nxd4
Bc5 9.Nb3 Nc6 10.Bg5 Nd4 11.Nxd4 Bxd4 12.Bd3 a6 13.Qd2 O-O 14.Ne2 h6 15.Nxd4 hxg5 16.e5 Nh5 17.h4 gxh4 18.Be2 Bxg2 19.Rh2 h3 20.Bxh5 Qc7 21.Qe2 f6 22.Bf3 Rac8 23.Bxg2 hxg2 24.Rxg2 Qxe5 25.Rd1 Rxc4 26.f4 Qc7 27.Rg4 Rc1 28.Qg2 Rf7 29.Qd2 Rxd1+ 30.Kxd1 Qc4 31.Qe3 Rf8 32.b3 Qc5 33.b4 Qd5 34.Qg1 Rf7 35.Kc1 d6 36.Rg2 Rc7+ 37.Rc2 Rxc2+ 38.Nxc2 Qc6 39.Kb2 b5 40.Qa7 e5 41.Qe3 exf4 42.Qxf4 Kf7 43.Qg4 g6 44.Qg1 g5 45.Qd4 f5 46.Qd3 Kg6 47.Ne3 Qd7 48.Kc1 Qe6 49.Kd1 Qe5 50.Kc2 Kf6 51.Nd5+ Kf7 52.Kb3 g4 53.Qd2 g3 54.Nf4 Ke8 55.Kc2 Kd7 56.Kb1 Qe4+ 57.Kb2 Ke7 58.Nd5+ Kf7 59.Nf4 d5 60.Kc3 Kf6 61.Nh5+ Kg6 62.Nf4+ Kg5 63.Ne6+ Kf6 64.Nf4 Kf7 65.Qd4 Qf3+ 66.Kd2 g2 67.Qa7+ Kg8 68.Qb8+ Kh7 69.Qa7+ Kh6 70.Qd4 Kh7 71.Qa7+ Kg8 72.Qa8+ Kg7 73.Qa7+ Kf6 74.Qd4+ Kf7 75.Qa7+ Ke8 76.Ne2 f4
77.Qb8+ Kf7 78.Qb7+ Kf8 79.Qa8+ Kg7 80.Qb7+ Kf6 81.Qxa6+ Kg5 82.Qb6 Qe4 83.Qd8+ Kg4 84.Qd7+ Kh4 85.Qd8+ Kh5 86.Qh8+ Kg4 87.Qc8+ Kg5 88.Qd8+ Kg6 89.Qb6+ Kg5 90.Qd8+
1/2-1/2

FINAL POSITION

[fen]3Q4/8/8/1p1p2k1/1P2qp2/P7/3KN1p1/8 w - - 0 90[/fen]

More Photos Here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 55/detail/

Breaking News Regards
Steve

[Larry]

In yet another in a looong line of Hiarcs Chess Forum Exclusives

The Resurrection II has arrived and in addition to the engines found in the Res I it also has Rybka 2.2

Hi Steve, Very interesting! How much did you pay for ResII and could
you please give me the contact details of the seller? I'm interested in
buying....of course provided I don't have to mortgage the house.
jealous regards
Larry
PS Am I correct in assuming ResII will run on a Modular?

[Steve B]

In yet another in a looong line of Hiarcs Chess Forum Exclusives

The Resurrection II has arrived and in addition to the engines found in the Res I it also has Rybka 2.2

Hi Steve, Very interesting! How much did you pay for ResII and could
you please give me the contact details of the seller? I'm interested in
buying....of course provided I don't have to mortgage the house.
jealous regards
Larry
PS Am I correct in assuming ResII will run on a Modular?

hi Larry
yes the Res II(like the Res I) is a set of three modules and it will work in any of the three Mephisto boards

you can PM Ruud Martin directly for all info on the Res II Modules
he is a member here

his profile also has a link to his web page:
http://hiarcs.net/forums/profile.php?mo ... file&u=266

Best
Steve

[Alain]

Congratulations Steve & Ruud,

this is cool to see such a nice display (as well as a famous program too) inside a Mephisto board !

how do you feel after having played with a non dedicated chess system (i.e. laptop + chessmaster) ?
...
but may be it was not the first time and you know a lot more about programs than what you say regards ,

Alain

[Steve B]

Congratulations Steve & Ruud,

how do you feel after having played with a non dedicated chess system (i.e. laptop + chessmaster) ?...
Alain

Thanks Alain
I Played against a PC Engine in a rare moment of weakness
i just wanted to play a quick game to test the Res-II


NOW for a far far more interesting game against a DEDICATED chesscomputer

the Res I -Fruit 05..Active Rating 2514(.INFO Boyz)

time control-Game 30 Min.

in the Game Res I searched typically 7 ply Brute and 19 Ply Selective
While the Res II typically searched 10 ply
Res II -Rybka had black and was out of book first at move 9

the Res II has three different Noomen Books
Standard
2600 Grandmaster
World Championships

i selected the WC Noomen Book :



[White "RES I-Fruit 05"]
[Black "RES II-Rybka 2.2]
[TimeControl "Game 30 Min"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.Nf3 g6 7.e4 Bg7 8.h3 O-O 9.Bd3 Na6 10.O-O Re8 11.Re1 Bd7 12.e5 dxe5 13.Bxa6 bxa6 14.Nxe5 Qb6 15.Nxd7 Nxd7 16.Re2 Rab8 17.Be3 Qd6 18.Qd2 Bxc3 19.bxc3 Nb6 20.Rae1 Qxd5 21.Bf4 Rxe2 22.Qxe2 Rd8 23.Bh6 Qe6 24.Qxe6 fxe6 25.Rxe6 Kf7 26.Rc6 Rc8 27.Rd6 Ke7 28.Rd1 Ke6 29.Kh2 Rc7 30.Kg3 Rb7 31.Bf8 c4 32.Rd4 Rd7 33.Bc5 Rxd4 34.Bxd4 Kf5 35.Kf3 g5 36.g4+ Ke6 37.h4 gxh4 38.Kg2 Nd5 39.Kh3 Nf4+ 40.Kxh4 Kd5 41.g5 Ke4 42.Kg4 Ne2 43.Bf6 Kd3 44.f4 Nxc3 45.Bxc3 Kxc3 46.f5 Kb2 47.f6 c3 48.f7 c2 49.f8=Q c1=Q *

FINAL POSITION
[fen]5Q2/p6p/p7/6P1/6K1/8/Pk6/2q5 w - - 0 50[/fen]

i called it a draw as both computer were showing PV's of 0.00 and both had about 10 minutes left on the clocks
with both Kings in the open the game would have just gone on with endless checks until someone hit the 50 move rule

Yet Another Draw Regards

Steve

[Wardy]

Perhaps it's time for another Hiarcs v Dedicated Challenge.....

[Steve B]

Perhaps it's time for another Hiarcs v Dedicated Challenge.....

Sadly Paul ..before i can even think about taking on the Big Boyz it would be nice to see the Res II-Rybka even beat the Res I-Fruit 05 which is running on a processor about 1/2 the speed

As Res I-F05 drew with the white pieces in game 1 i gave the white pieces to Res II-R2.2 for another Game in 30 min

this time i tried the Noomen GM2600 book but the RII was out of book by move 4!

[White "Res II-Rybka"]
[Black "Res I-Fruit"]
[Time Control "Game 30 Min"]

1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.Be2 O-O 6.O-O Bb4 7.a3 Bxc3
8.bxc3 d6 9.d3 e4 10.Nd4 exd3 11.Qxd3 Ne5 12.Qb1 c5 13.Nf3 Qc7 14.Nxe5 dxe5 15.e4 h6 16.f3 Rd8 17.Be3 Be6 18.Qb3 b6 19.a4 Nh5 20.g3 Nf6 21.a5 bxa5 22.Qa3 a4 23.Qxa4 a5 24.Kg2 Rd6 25.Ra2 Qc8 26.Rb1 Bd7 27.Qa3 Bh3+ 28.Kf2 Rc6 29.Rab2 a4 30.Rb5 Be6 31.Kg1 Nd7 32.Kg2 Qa6 33.Bf1 Rd6 34.Kg1 Rc8 35.Be2 f5 36.exf5 Bxf5 37.Rd1 Rxd1+ 38.Bxd1 Ra8 39.Be2 Qc6 40.Kf2 Kh8 41.h4 Kg8 42.g4 Bc2 43.Qa2 Bb3 44.Qb1 Rf8 45.Kg2 Kh8 46.Qd3 Re8 47.Qd2 e4 48.f4 Re6 49.Qc1 Rf6 50.h5 Rf8 51.f5 Kh7 52.Qd2 Ra853.Qe1 Bc2 54.Qa1 Bd3 55.Bd1 Bxc4 56.Rb2 a3 57.Rd2 Nf6 58.g5 Nd5 59.Rxd5 Bxd5 60.Be2 hxg5 61.h6 gxh6 62.c4 Bf7 63.Bd1 a2 64.Bf2 Qb7 65.Be1 Bxc4 66.Bc2 Bd3
FINAL POSITION

[fen]r7/1q5k/7p/2p2Pp1/4p3/3b4/p1B3K1/Q3B3 w - - 0 67[/fen]

Res I is up four pawns and the Exchange showing a PV of +9.93
Res II was showing -9.99 which is a resignation

thats a draw and a loss to the 2514 Res I Fruit



Dazed And Confused Regards
Steve

[Wardy]

That's disappointing to say the least. Can't believe the Res II was out of book at move 4?! I wonder how big each of Noomens books are? When did the Res I leave book?

Given that the strength increase is something like 100elo (?) then wouldn't we expect the Res I to win about 25% of the games anyway? You might just have been unlucky with this one game?

Still hoping Res II is a monster regards

Paul

[Cubeman]

That is a strange result.Rybka is a better engine than Fruit and Rybka is running on a much faster processor.It would be interesting to see if the moves by Rybka res II are comparable to Rybka PC version.Of course the PC version would be running alot faster but you would expect to notice similar moves suggested at the corresponding depths.I can only guess at the reasons but Rybka might have a much larger memory file than Fruit and for Rudd to fit it in the confines of the module system then something might have been lost in translation.
Please play some more games just to see if this was not a one off result.

[Cubeman]

[fen]r7/3n2pk/2q4p/1Rp2P1P/p1P1p1P1/1bP1B3/3QB1K1/8[/fen]
Just did some checking of the 2nd game posted and see the decisive error was 53 Qe1? and I find it hard to believe Rybka would play this move.So I tested the PC version of Rybka beta 1.0 and see immediately that it prefers 53 Qc1 at D=10 and keeps it as the best move.When I force 53 Qe1 the evaluation turns to over - 1 and sees that White is in serious trouble.

[Alain]

Hi,

Just did some checking of the 2nd game posted and see the decisive error was 53 Qe1? and I find it hard to believe Rybka would play this move.So I tested the PC version of Rybka beta 1.0 and see immediately that it prefers 53 Qc1 at D=10 and keeps it as the best move.When I force 53 Qe1 the evaluation turns to over - 1 and sees that White is in serious trouble.

this is interesting... I was going to answer that we should not be surprised by the results of so few games but now I don't know what to think

I don't know the hardware of the Res II (ok, it is probably described on Ruud's site) but I can tell you that the speed difference between a Pocket PC (hardware close to Res I) and a PC is enormous and 30 seconds on Res could be equivalent in total nodes to just 2-4 seconds on a "normal' PC.

best regards,
Alain

[Steve B]

Hi,

Just did some checking of the 2nd game posted and see the decisive error was 53 Qe1? and I find it hard to believe Rybka would play this move.So I tested the PC version of Rybka beta 1.0 and see immediately that it prefers 53 Qc1 at D=10 and keeps it as the best move.When I force 53 Qe1 the evaluation turns to over - 1 and sees that White is in serious trouble.

this is interesting... I was going to answer that we should not be surprised by the results of so few games but now I don't know what to think

I don't know the hardware of the Res II (ok, it is probably described on Ruud's site) but I can tell you that the speed difference between a Pocket PC (hardware close to Res I) and a PC is enormous and 30 seconds on Res could be equivalent in total nodes to just 2-4 seconds on a "normal' PC.

best regards,
Alain

HI Alain and Cubeman and Paul

i have emailed Jeroen and asked him about the differences in his three books

you can see the hardware specs for the Res II on the page i set up for the Res ll..look under the larger photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 195096455/

the specs for the Res I are here:

Strong-arm SA1110 processor-203 Mhz-32MB Ram

another game vs Res I Fruit 05 coming up..Fruit will take White again
but at a longer level ..of 1 minute per move
Rybka will use the Standard Noomen book

Dont Change That Dial Regards
Steve

[Alain]

Hi Steve,

as far as I remember because I cannot reproduce easily the test :
- Toga under CEBoard on a Axim X50v : ARM processor at 624 MHz, so supposed to be faster than Res II => around 30-40 KN/s
- Toga on my laptop : 800 KN/s


Wish I could give such figures for Hiarcs instead of Toga regards,
Alain

[Mark Uniacke]

[fen]r7/3n2pk/2q4p/1Rp2P1P/p1P1p1P1/1bP1B3/3QB1K1/8[/fen]
Just did some checking of the 2nd game posted and see the decisive error was 53 Qe1? and I find it hard to believe Rybka would play this move.So I tested the PC version of Rybka beta 1.0 and see immediately that it prefers 53 Qc1 at D=10 and keeps it as the best move.When I force 53 Qe1 the evaluation turns to over - 1 and sees that White is in serious trouble.

Palm Hiarcs 9.6 and 9.7 prefers Qc1 immediately and sticks with it all the way.

I showed Palm Hiarcs Qe1 and it almost immediately dropped 0.6 pawns.

Palm Hiarcs hungry for a fish meal soon regards,

[Steve B]

Hi Steve,

as far as I remember because I cannot reproduce easily the test :
- Toga under CEBoard on a Axim X50v : ARM processor at 624 MHz, so supposed to be faster than Res II => around 30-40 KN/s
- Toga on my laptop : 800 KN/s


Wish I could give such figures for Hiarcs instead of Toga regards,
Alain

hi Alain

here is the next game as promised:

http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2363#2363

i will play another at 1 minute per move with Fishka getting White

Almost Ready for Prime Time Regards
Steve