Question about RS Chess Champion 2150
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Question about RS Chess Champion 2150
HI,
The question is about ELO, the 2150 with only 3 Mhz is 1750, while his younger brother, 2150L with 8 Mhz has 1783, why only this little difference?
I know they have different processors and the 2150 has much larger opening book, but is this enough for the much slower 2150 be almost equal to the 2150L?
By the way, what a nice computer to play!
I thank you in advance!
Cheers
The question is about ELO, the 2150 with only 3 Mhz is 1750, while his younger brother, 2150L with 8 Mhz has 1783, why only this little difference?
I know they have different processors and the 2150 has much larger opening book, but is this enough for the much slower 2150 be almost equal to the 2150L?
By the way, what a nice computer to play!
I thank you in advance!
Cheers
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Re: Question about RS Chess Champion 2150
They are running on two different processor chips so the MHz speed is not the only factor. The 6502 per MHz is a little faster than the H8 per MHz.CompDad wrote:HI,
The question is about ELO, the 2150 with only 3 Mhz is 1750, while his younger brother, 2150L with 8 Mhz has 1783, why only this little difference?
I know they have different processors and the 2150 has much larger opening book, but is this enough for the much slower 2150 be almost equal to the 2150L?
By the way, what a nice computer to play!
I thank you in advance!
Cheers
Regards
Nick
Hi,
maybe part of the explanation (in addition to the 2150L reduced opening book) lies here: http://electronicchess.free.fr/heroes.html#2150l
Kaplan's 1990 leave from Saitek is logged in Schachcomputer.info's wiki: https://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/i ... lan,_Julio
(Saitek provided both 2150 & 2150L to Tandy/RS)
I doubt regarding F. Morsch authoring - the 2150L would have been much stronger with it's H8 CPU. But a poor Kaplan's program adaptation to H8 is very possible...
best regards,
Tibono
maybe part of the explanation (in addition to the 2150L reduced opening book) lies here: http://electronicchess.free.fr/heroes.html#2150l
Kaplan's 1990 leave from Saitek is logged in Schachcomputer.info's wiki: https://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/i ... lan,_Julio
(Saitek provided both 2150 & 2150L to Tandy/RS)
I doubt regarding F. Morsch authoring - the 2150L would have been much stronger with it's H8 CPU. But a poor Kaplan's program adaptation to H8 is very possible...
best regards,
Tibono
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But to be fair, Radio Shack did have at least three stronger chess computers (maybe four): Chess Champion 2250XL, Master 2200X, Mega 2050X, and possibly ChessMaster. I'm running a tournament right now with a majority of Radio Shack units. Many were clones, certainly, but Radio Shack put their name and money behind them and put their own unique flair on the chess computer genre.
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The morsch programs are stronger. But the Kaplan programs play better chess, or ?
Also the morsch programs are in almost all new Saiten machines, I find this cloning very boring. You have one machine and it plays the same null move shit like all the others, even has the same bugs.
Also the morsch programs are in almost all new Saiten machines, I find this cloning very boring. You have one machine and it plays the same null move shit like all the others, even has the same bugs.
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....
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Thanks for the links. Interesting French site.Tibono2 wrote:Hi,
maybe part of the explanation (in addition to the 2150L reduced opening book) lies here: http://electronicchess.free.fr/heroes.html#2150l
Kaplan's 1990 leave from Saitek is logged in Schachcomputer.info's wiki: https://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/i ... lan,_Julio
(Saitek provided both 2150 & 2150L to Tandy/RS)
I doubt regarding F. Morsch authoring - the 2150L would have been much stronger with it's H8 CPU. But a poor Kaplan's program adaptation to H8 is very possible...
best regards,
Tibono
I agree, 2150L is a Kaplan, not Morsch, although a I don't have one, I had the Prisms, which is the same of 2150L, but I sold to buy the 2150, much better IMHO.
It will be very interesting see the results of your tournament. I have the RS Master Chess, it is strong but there's little information about it, only some comments of Nick saying it has similarities with the Fritz 2 and from BLITZ ELO from MECA site, in which it is the strongest RS.TracySMiller wrote:But to be fair, Radio Shack did have at least three stronger chess computers (maybe four): Chess Champion 2250XL, Master 2200X, Mega 2050X, and possibly ChessMaster. I'm running a tournament right now with a majority of Radio Shack units. Many were clones, certainly, but Radio Shack put their name and money behind them and put their own unique flair on the chess computer genre.
Looking forward tournament results regards
Last edited by CompDad on Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I think he is talking about the Morsch clones (many KG 2000 and GK 2100 clones), not Kaplan.TracySMiller wrote:Well I don't own both cloned machines AND the originals, so I don't find them boring. And I don't understand the "null move" comment.mclane wrote: I find this cloning very boring. You have one machine and it plays the same null move shit like all the others, even has the same bugs.
As for boring, I think there's a way to diversify thinks, like more passive, active, random, at least the RS MASTER CHESS has it, don't know if it is the right interpretation.
Not bored regards
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Yeah, the next matchup for me will be the RS Chess Master going up against Excalibur's Igor. Should be a fun match.
I have three more chess computers headed my way that I ordered via eBay: the Radio Shack 1750L (travel computer), the Excalibur Alexandra, and the Fidelity Designer 2000. I can't fit them into this Tournament, but maybe the next one. I'm starting to get addicted to these machines.
I hope I don't run out of money!
I have three more chess computers headed my way that I ordered via eBay: the Radio Shack 1750L (travel computer), the Excalibur Alexandra, and the Fidelity Designer 2000. I can't fit them into this Tournament, but maybe the next one. I'm starting to get addicted to these machines.
I hope I don't run out of money!