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The "Deep Depp" U1300 ELO Tournament

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Hello all together,

there aren't many experiences with the lowest ELO-range dedicated chess computers. I only remember Nick's huge U1400 tournaments.

http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/u1400 ... nship.html

So I decided to go a bit "deeper": from the lowest classification up to 1300 ELO - the "Deep Deep" (means "Deep Dumb") tournament was born. From th first one - the Fidelity Chess Challenger 1 - mainly to other competitors of the 70s and early 80s. Filled up with some others to provide a wide range of programmers.

Active chess: ca. 30 sec/move

The 24 participants:

1. Mephisto Supermini, Eric van Riet Paap, ELO 1305, Level A4.
The Super Mini is a reminiscent of the old briquette from Mephisto. Very Slim, with a small display and small pieces.

2. SciSys Concord II, Kaare Danielsen, ELO 1300 estimated, Level 3.
The well-known 4K program Danielsen, which is today still installed in the Lexibook Compis. In Concord II it runs at double speed to his predecessor Concord.

3. SciSys Sensor Chess, Julio Kaplan/Craig Barnes, ELO 1250 estimated, Level 3
Early program from Kaplan/Barnes in the beautiful sensor board with LEDs on each square under a transparent playing surface. Later used in the second model of the Mephisto Modular as well. The thinking time varies extremely - from 10 seconds up to 3 minutes.

4. SciSys Sensor Chess Hypermodern, Kaplan/Barnes, ELO 1250 estimated Level 3
One of the rare modules for the Sensor Chess. With the Hypermodern module, the opening style is often the Fianchetto, Reti (Nf3), Nimzo, Alekhine & Co.

5. Mephisto Junior, Thomas Nitsche/Elmar Henne, ELO 1244, Level A3
The Junior is a slightly improved Mephisto I, easy to operate and already uses "Permanent Brain". Not a standard in 1982.

6. SciSys Intelligent Chess, Mike Johnson, ELO 1192, Level 3
An extraordinary chess computer, full of unique Options. In wrote a few lines in my blog. http://chess-computer.blogspot.de/2015/ ... chach.html

7. Fidelity Voice Sensory Chess Challenger, Ron Nelson, ELO 1186, Level CL3.
The strongest Nelson-program in the Active-ELO-list. One of the most beautiful sensor boards with the wooden frame and 64 LEDs. This series were buildt 'til 1984 (with Spracklen programs).

8. Fidelity Chess Challenger 10B, Ron Nelson, ELO 1175, Level CL3.
The difference between the 10A and the 10B is: Only the 10B can castle! The 10A not! So I think the 10B would get I higher ranking, if listed with an separate ELO.

9. Fidelity Chess Challenger Voice, Ron Nelson, ELO 1164, Level CL3.
The first chess computer with the legendary robotic "voice" announcement. Four languages were available. English, German, French and Spain. Personally I mostly switch the Voice off. A hum then signaled when the Computer moves.

10. Fidelity Chess Challenger Voice Advanced, Ron Nelson, ELO 1164, Level CL3.
An "ADVANCED" sticker above the Display indicates the version. This tournament will tell you if there are differences between the standard CC Voice and the Advanced. Look at the games. Actually no ELO entry for the "Advanced".

11. SciSys Senator Chess, Mike Johnson, ELO 1157 Level 3
The Senator is quite bulky for a travel chess computer, but 1981 it was technically up to date. The LCD board is identical to the LCD of the CC MK III. You enter the moves easily by cursor. The Senator comes with a leatherette bag for protection when traveling. Same program as SciSys Executive Chess.

12. Chess-Master Diamond, Rüdiger Worbs/Wolfgang Pähtz, ELO 1147, Level 4
The best from the East! A chess computer with all the necessary comfort of the high class. Wood board and pieces, detailed display with the green segments and many options. Complete with Opening and Endgame modules.

13. Fidelity Chess Challenger 10 C, Ron Nelson, ELO 1125, Level CL3
Another Nelson-Prog. The 10c has the housing of the Fidelity Chess Challenger 3 and no sound controls.

14. Novag Chess Champion Super System MK III, Mike Johnson, ELO 1101 Level 30sec/move
Anno 79/80 an inexpensive chess computer with many extras to buy (Printer, LCD board). His biggest drawback: the lack of a library and the rigid time controls. But he knows all draw rules and even sub-transformation.

15. Conic Computer Chess, Stephen Chen (?), ELO 1100 estimated, Level 3
An infernal machine with a deafening noise after switching on. Each move will be announced in the same loudness. The sensor chess board looks like a travel chess set for giants with it's pieces.

16. Mattel Computer Chess, Julio Kaplan, ELO 1100 estimated, Level 3
First chess program from Julio Kaplan, the first chess computer with LCD board (Wiki). The pieces are sometimes hard to identify.

17. Vtech Chessmaster, ??, ELO 900 estimated, Level 2
Another chess computer with an LCD screen, small in size, but with easily recognizable characters. The contrast can be adjusted by a screw on the back. Level 2 is maximum (ca. 10-15 sec), perhaps the 3 cells don't last very long.

18. Chafitz Boris, David Lindsey, ELO 979, Level 30sec/move
BORIS is King! One of the first chess computers and of course legendary in it's wooden box and the comments on the game.

19. Novag Solo, Dave Kittinger, ELO 951, Level 5
The smallest Novag. There is also a rare luxurious version with a wooden board, the Novag Solo Deluxe Z.

20 CXG Sphinx Chess Card, Mark Taylor, ELO 929, Level D8.
The Chess Card has credit card format and looks still very modern. A suitable case with magnetic chess board is part of the set. And yes: it can even play chess!

21. Fidelity Chess Challenger 3, Ron Nelson, ELO 865, Level CL3.
The CC3 is a corrected version of the CC1, but the chess program has still many mistakes. Now with additional playing levels and the choice to play with white.

22. Fidelity Chess Challenger 1, Ron Nelson, ELO 852, Level 1
The first! The CC1 shouldn't be missed. The move input is horrible, especially because you can't correct any errors. The CC1 only plays only the black side and a max. of 5 sec/move. So let's begin: 5b-5d.

23. TEC chess computer, Peter Jennings, ELO 797, Level F6.
A clone of the Novag Chess Champion MK II, even the little melodies for chess or mate were adopted. It has the nice look of a 70s PC.

24. Tryom CC-700, ??, 790 ELO estimated Level 4
I still remember my first pocket calculator from Texas Instruments, if I see the Tryom. The castling and en passant procedures must be entered in 2 steps (CC1/CC3 too).



Actually 7 rounds are played:

Round 1:

1 Chessmaster Diamond - Mephisto Supermini 1-0
2 SciSys Sensor Hypermodern - Fidelity CC 10c ½-½
3 Novag Super System 3 - SciSys Sensor Chess 0-1
4 Mephisto Junior - Mattel Computer Chess ½-½
5 VTech Chess Master - Fidelity CC Voice Adv. 0-1
6 Fidelity CC Voice - Chafitz BORIS 1-0
7 Intelligent Chess - CXG Sphinx Chesscard ½-½
8 Fidelity CC 3 - Fidelity Sensory Voice 0-1
9 TEC Schachcomputer - Fidelity CC 10b 0-1
10 SciSys Senator Chess - Tryom CC700 1-0
11 Conic Computer Chess - Novag Solo 0-1
12 SciSys Concord II - Fidelity CC 1 1-0


Round 2:

1 Novag Solo - SciSys Concord II 0-1
2 Fidelity CC Voice - SciSys Sensor Chess ½-½
3 Fidelity Sensory Voice - SciSys Senator Chess 0-1
4 Fidelity CC 10b - Chessmaster Diamond 1-0
5 Fidelity CC Voice Adv. - SciSys Sensor Hypermodern 1-0
6 CXG Sphinx Chesscard - Mephisto Junior 0-1
7 Mattel Computer Chess - Intelligent Chess ½-½
8 Fidelity CC 10c - Fidelity CC 1 1-0
9 Mephisto Supermini - Fidelity CC 3 ½-½
10 Chafitz BORIS - Novag Super System 3 ½-½
11 Tryom CC700 - VTech Chess Master ½-½
12 TEC Schachcomputer - Conic Computer Chess 0-1


Round 3:

1 SciSys Concord II - Fidelity CC Voice Adv. 1-0
2 SciSys Senator Chess - Fidelity CC 10b 1-0
3 SciSys Sensor Chess - Fidelity CC 10c 1-0
4 Mephisto Junior - Fidelity CC Voice 1-0
5 Intelligent Chess - Novag Solo 0-1
6 Conic Computer Chess - Fidelity Sensory Voice 1-0
7 Chessmaster Diamond - Mattel Computer Chess 1-0
8 SciSys Sensor Hypermodern - CXG Sphinx Chesscard 1-0
9 VTech Chess Master - Mephisto Supermini 0-1
10 Novag Super System 3 - Tryom CC700 1-0
11 Fidelity CC 3 - Chafitz BORIS 0-1
12 TEC Schachcomputer - Fidelity CC 1 ½-½


Round 4:

1 SciSys Senator Chess - SciSys Concord II 0-1
2 SciSys Sensor Chess - Mephisto Junior 1-0
3 Fidelity CC Voice Adv. - Chessmaster Diamond ½-½
4 Fidelity CC 10b - Conic Computer Chess ½-½
5 Novag Solo - Fidelity CC Voice 1-0
6 Mephisto Supermini - SciSys Sensor Hypermodern 1-0
7 Fidelity CC 10c - Novag Super System 3 0-1
8 Chafitz BORIS - Intelligent Chess 0-1
9 Fidelity Sensory Voice - Mattel Computer Chess 1-0
10 VTech Chess Master - Fidelity CC 1 ½-½
11 CXG Sphinx Chesscard - TEC Schachcomputer 1-0
12 Tryom CC700 - Fidelity CC 3 0-1


Round 5:

1 SciSys Concord II - SciSys Sensor Chess 1-0
2 Novag Solo - SciSys Senator Chess 0-1
3 Novag Super System 3 - Fidelity CC Voice Adv. 0-1
4 Mephisto Junior - Fidelity CC 10b 0-1
5 Conic Computer Chess - Mephisto Supermini ½-½
6 Chessmaster Diamond - Fidelity Sensory Voice ½-½
7 Intelligent Chess - Fidelity CC 10c 1-0
8 Fidelity CC Voice - CXG Sphinx Chesscard ½-½
9 SciSys Sensor Hypermodern - Chafitz BORIS 1-0
10 Fidelity CC 3 - Fidelity CC 1 1-0
11 Mattel Computer Chess - VTech Chess Master 1-0
12 Tryom CC700 - TEC Schachcomputer 0-1


Round 6:

1 Fidelity CC 10b - SciSys Concord II 1-0
2 SciSys Sensor Chess - SciSys Senator Chess 1-0
3 Fidelity CC Voice Adv. - Intelligent Chess 1-0
4 Mephisto Supermini - Novag Solo 1-0
5 Conic Computer Chess - Chessmaster Diamond 0-1
6 Fidelity Sensory Voice - Novag Super System 3 ½-½
7 Fidelity CC 3 - Mephisto Junior 0-1
8 Fidelity CC Voice - SciSys Sensor Hypermodern 0-1
9 CXG Sphinx Chesscard - Mattel Computer Chess 0-1
10 TEC Schachcomputer - Fidelity CC 10c 0-1
11 Chafitz BORIS - VTech Chess Master 1-0
12 Tryom CC700 - Fidelity CC 1 ½-½


Round 7:

1 SciSys Concord II - Chessmaster Diamond ½-½
2 Fidelity CC Voice Adv. - SciSys Sensor Chess 1-0
3 Mephisto Supermini - Fidelity CC 10b 0-1
4 SciSys Senator Chess - SciSys Sensor Hypermodern 0-1
5 Mephisto Junior - Novag Super System 3 1-0
6 Mattel Computer Chess - Conic Computer Chess 1-0
7 Intelligent Chess - Fidelity Sensory Voice 0-1
8 Novag Solo - Chafitz BORIS 1-0
9 Fidelity CC 10c - Fidelity CC 3 1-0
10 Fidelity CC Voice - Fidelity CC 1 1-0
11 CXG Sphinx Chesscard - Tryom CC700 1-0
12 VTech Chess Master - TEC Schachcomputer 0-1


Der aktuelle Tabellenstand:

1 SciSys Concord II 5,5 29,5
2 Fidelity CC 10b 5,5 28,0
3 Fidelity CC Voice Adv. 5,5 26,0
4 Chessmaster Diamond 4,5 31,5
5 SciSys Sensor Chess 4,5 29,0
6 SciSys Sensor Hyperm 4,5 25,5
7 Mephisto Junior 4,5 25,5
8 SciSys Senator Chess 4,0 29,0
9 Mephisto Supermini 4,0 25,0
10 Novag Solo 4,0 25,0
11 Fidelity Sensory Voice 4,0 24,0
12 Mattel Computer Chess 4,0 23,0
13 Fidelity CC 10c 3,5 21,5
14 Conic Computer Chess 3,0 28,5
15 Intelligent Chess 3,0 26,5
16 Novag Super System 3,0 25,5
17 Fidelity CC Voice 3,0 24,5
18 CXG Sphinx Chesscard 3,0 22,5
19 Chafitz BORIS 2,5 21,0
20 Fidelity CC3 2,5 21,0
21 TEC Schachcomputer 2,5 18,5
22 Fidelity CC1 1,5 19,0
23 VTech Chess Master 1,0 21,0
24 Tryom CC700 1,0 17,5

The games are posted on Schachcomputer.info

http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/sh ... 037&page=3

Have fun!
Peter
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Post by Steve B »

Fluppio wrote: there aren't many experiences with the lowest ELO-range dedicated chess computers.


Hi Peter
i agree 100%
for my taste.. we see far too much from the stronger computers and the earlier weaker machines are largely ignored
thank you for this !

A True ...

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Post by spacious_mind »

Hi Peter,

I have been following your tournament with interest. Thanks for posting it here as well. I am still waiting to see a first ever CC1 win!! :) Maybe you will make history!

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Nice!
I love the tournaments with these machines, it really reminds the "good old days" where finding a chess computer in a store was a miracle (well, it is a bit a miracle today as well :-( ) and articles in magazines were laudatory for machines which could not be mated in 1...

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Hi Peter,

I'm impressed! 8)

How many rounds (years :P) do you plan for this tournament?

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blaubaer wrote:Hi Peter,

I'm impressed! 8)

How many rounds (years :P) do you plan for this tournament?

Regards,
Michael

Hi Michael (and others :D ),

I'm impressed and astonished too. These seven rounds were done in 2 1/2 month, whereas it normally takes me a year :lol:

The tournament will definitely be finished in 2015......so only a swiss system....no round robin.

In the beginning I expected the games to be boring and neverending, but it wasn't. Often the games were finished early, sacking the queen or sometimes due to a draw by repetition. Most participants haven't programmed these rules, so a draw could happen any time. Some games were very funny, regarding chess :wink: I'll try to sort some curiosities and post them in pgn.

@Nick: Yes, hope we will see the CC1 forcing a mate....haha! Tryom and Vtech are waiting for a win too.

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Hi Peter,
Fluppio wrote: I'll try to sort some curiosities and post them in pgn.
that will be very interesting for me!

Looking forward in hearing from you soon Regards,
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Post by Fluppio »

Hi all,

round 8 is done as well with some strange and curious games. Especially many draws by repetion, in overwhelming positions. But the top was this game - White to win, but fails into a mate in 1.....hahaha.

Weiß: Novag Super System III
Schwarz: Fidelity CC Voice
Resultat: 0-1


Deep Depp (8)
1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Nc6 4. Nb5 e5 5. dxe5 Ne4 6. Qd3
[6. Qxd5 Qxd5 7. Nxc7+ Kd8 8. Nxd5+»]
6... Bf5 7. f3 Ng3 8. e4 Nb4 9. Qc3 Nxc2+ 10. Qxc2 Bb4+ 11. Nc3 Nxh1 12. Qa4+ Bd7 13. Qxb4 dxe4 14. Qxe4 Bc6 15. Bb5 Qh4+ 16. Kf1
[16. g3 Qxh2 17. Bxc6+ Kf8 18. O-O-O]
16... Qf2#


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Fluppio wrote:Hi all,

round 8 is done as well with some strange and curious games. Especially many draws by repetion, in overwhelming positions. But the top was this game - White to win, but fails into a mate in 1.....hahaha.

Weiß: Novag Super System III
Schwarz: Fidelity CC Voice
Resultat: 0-1


Deep Depp (8)
1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Nc6 4. Nb5 e5 5. dxe5 Ne4 6. Qd3
[6. Qxd5 Qxd5 7. Nxc7+ Kd8 8. Nxd5+»]
6... Bf5 7. f3 Ng3 8. e4 Nb4 9. Qc3 Nxc2+ 10. Qxc2 Bb4+ 11. Nc3 Nxh1 12. Qa4+ Bd7 13. Qxb4 dxe4 14. Qxe4 Bc6 15. Bb5 Qh4+ 16. Kf1
[16. g3 Qxh2 17. Bxc6+ Kf8 18. O-O-O]
16... Qf2#


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That's Funny! Just like I remember these oldies.

[fen]r3k2r/ppp2ppp/2b5/1B2P3/4QB1q/2N2P2/PP4PP/R3K1Nn w Qkq - 0 16[/fen]

Novag Super System III must have forgotten that CC Voice had the Knight on h1 when it played 16. Kf1? :P

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A nice victory for the CM Diamond in round 9. I was a bit surprised after 3...Bg4 instead of the "normal" 3...Nxd5, but with the support of the Novag Solo the Diamond could manage it to a short win.

[Event "Deep Depp"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2015.??.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Novag Solo"]
[Black "Chess Master Diamond"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "951"]
[BlackElo "1147"]
[PlyCount "44"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. d3 d5 3. exd5 Bg4 {ohne PM11 Ending Modul spielt der CM Diamond
hier Nxd5} 4. f3 Bf5 5. g4 Bg6 6. c4 e6 7. Nc3 exd5 8. Qe2+ Qe7 9. Qxe7+ Bxe7
10. cxd5 O-O 11. Bf4 Rd8 12. Bxc7 Rd7 13. Bxb8 Rxb8 14. Nb5 Bb4+ 15. Kd1 Nxd5
16. Nxa7 Bc5 17. Nb5 Nf4 18. Kd2 Nxd3 19. Bxd3 Rxd3+ 20. Kc1 Rbd8 21. Nc3 Rxc3+
22. bxc3 Ba3# {eine schöner, strategisch herausgespielter Sieg des CM Diamond}
0-1


Without the PM11 ending module the CM Diamond plays 3...Nxd5. I'm not sure if it is the best to play the PM11 directly after the opening (as I do in this tournament) or only in the endgame. Any experiences from other members are welcome.

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Here are the results of the last two rounds:

Partien Runde 8

1 Fidelity CC 10b - Fidelity CC Voice Adv. 1-0
2 SciSys Sensor Hypermodern - SciSys Concord II ½-½
3 Chessmaster Diamond - Mephisto Junior 0-1
4 SciSys Sensor Chess - Novag Solo 1-0
5 Mattel Computer Chess - SciSys Senator Chess 1-0
6 Fidelity Sensory Voice - Mephisto Supermini ½-½
7 Fidelity CC 10c - CXG Sphinx Chesscard 1-0
8 Novag Super System 3 - Fidelity CC Voice 0-1
9 Intelligent Chess - Fidelity CC 1 1-0
10 Conic Computer Chess - Tryom CC700 ½-½
11 Chafitz BORIS - TEC Schachcomputer ½-½
12 Fidelity CC 3 - VTech Chess Master 0-1


Partien Runde 9

1 Fidelity CC 10b - SciSys Sensor Chess 0-1
2 SciSys Concord II - Mephisto Junior 1-0
3 Fidelity CC Voice Adv. - Mattel Computer Chess ½-½
4 SciSys Sensor Hypermodern - Fidelity Sensory Voice 1-0
5 Mephisto Supermini - Fidelity CC 10c 1-0
6 Novag Solo - Chessmaster Diamond 0-1
7 SciSys Senator Chess - Fidelity CC Voice 1-0
8 TEC Schachcomputer - Intelligent Chess 0-1
9 Conic Computer Chess - Fidelity CC 1 ½-½
10 CXG Sphinx Chesscard - Fidelity CC 3 ½-½
11 VTech Chess Master - Novag Super System 3 0-1
12 Tryom CC700 - Chafitz BORIS 0-1

And the Winner ist:

SciSys Concord II 8)

Runners up:

Fidelity CC 10 B
SciSys Sensor Chess

and the participants from 4-6 will go ahead in my next tournament in 2016.

The complete table (and a few games) you can see on my latest blog entry. copying doesn't work here.

http://chess-computer.blogspot.de/2015/ ... rnier.html

Til next tournament
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Post by Steve B »

And after all of this hard work you decide to sell some of these precious schachcomputers

:cry:

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Post by Fluppio »

Yes, hard to believe, but my collection is always swinging around the maximum :shock: due to limited space.

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