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Dylan Sharp wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:So blaming me makes very little sense.
Sorry if I sounded like that, I was not blaming you, only ranting about how the game turned out.
Terry McCracken wrote:If I had a famous last name of a known IGM you would be cheering instead of sneering! Regards....
No, if it was Anand providing all the lines, I would have made the same rant, including the line "It's no longer Hiarcs Members vs Resurrection II Engine X, but Anand vs Resurrection II Engine X, with Hiarcs Members agreeing to all his moves", so it's nothing personal.

I didn't vote much because I knew that my votes weren't going to make any difference at all. But yes, I have to blame the engine's book line that was so bad that most moves were winning so it made no difference trying to defend a move, when the already analyzed move is good enough to win. And I have to blame us, Hiarcs Members to not try different things and discussion, but it seems we were going to win this anyway so it made no difference.
I'm sorry for overreacting. Thanks for the explanation.

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Terry McCracken wrote: Your game is a bit different than what transpired in our game against the Res II. 16. bc is maybe a little better than 16. Qxc3 but the difference is less dramatic. I see why your opening was so effective, the Res II played the tame 11..Be7? and I think that's what cost it the game.
Yes it cost an important tempo and we could trow in 13.h4! And we could also play 16.bxc3! without any counterplay for black.

Happy Holidays to you too, and to the rest of the team.
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Terry McCracken wrote:
Steve B wrote:Well with the Xmas and New Years Holidays upon us this seems like as good a time as any to call it a day

34..RESIGNS

personally i was hoping for something different out of this match but i failed to anticipate being out booked by a strong database which we could have easily prohibited from the start

none the less.. i congratulate the Team for a well fought game

the mystery engine was Deep Sjeng 1.8

starting off the New Year the Team will have a formidable opponent in Hiarcs running on an 8 way box

for that game any assistance is allowed to the team

For Those of you interested in how the game looked to the Res II as it progressed ..
the following table begins after move 9 which was Deep Sjeng's first out of book move

Mo=Move number
TH=Team Hiarcs Move
D1.8=Deep Sjeng's move
Ev=evaluation
Dep=Depth search ..Brute Force/Selective
Er=Expected Reply

moves 29 and 30 were virtually forced moves so i did not let the computer think for the full one hour and therefore there are no entries for Ev,Dep and Er

Mo TH D1.8 Ev Dep Er
10 Bf4 d5 -.75 12/31 Bd3

11 Qe3 Be7 -.70 12/33 Be2

12 Be2 0-0 -.66 12/33 Qg3

13 h4 Bb4 -.55 11/33 e5

14 e5 Nd7 -.33 13/37 Rh3

15 Bxh6 Bxc3 -.36 12/41 bxc3

16 bxc3 f6 -1.12 12/41 Rh3

17 Rh3 Rf7 -1.52 11/38 Rg3

18 Rg3 Qf8 -1.52 11/36 Bh5

19 Bh5 Re7 -1.54 13/41 Bf4

20 Bf4 Nxe5 -1.54 13/35 Bxe5

21 Bxe5 fxe5 -1.47 13/31 Rf3

22 Rf3 Qd8 -1.38 13/36 Qxp

23 Qxp Bd7 -1.68 13/36 Bg6

24 Rd4 Be8 -2.28 12/36 Bg4

25 Bg4 Qb8 -2.71 12/35 Bxe6+

26 Bxe6+ Bf7 -2.87 14/37 Bxf7+

27 Bxf7+ Rxf7 -2.91 14/34 Qe6

28 Qe6 Qe8 -2.95 14/35 Qxf7+

29 Qxf7+ Qxf7 N/A N/A N/A

30 Rxf7 Kxf7 N/A N/A N/A

31 c4 Ke6 -3.08 15/31 Rg4

32 Rg4 Kf7 -3.31 15/32 cxd5

33 cxd5 cxd5 -3.36 15/32 Rg5

1-0

Last Post From The Engine Room Regards
Steve
Good Game, Steve! The Res II played well with no errors, it was simply out-booked.

We even added to theory Steve, Black is busted in that sub-variation.

You're a Good Sport! Regards,
Terry
Black may lose in that variation but I doubt if white could find the right way against better moves

For example 16...Nxe5(suggested by rybka2.3.2a) may be better move than 16...f6

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Uri Blass wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Steve B wrote:Well with the Xmas and New Years Holidays upon us this seems like as good a time as any to call it a day

34..RESIGNS

personally i was hoping for something different out of this match but i failed to anticipate being out booked by a strong database which we could have easily prohibited from the start

none the less.. i congratulate the Team for a well fought game

the mystery engine was Deep Sjeng 1.8

starting off the New Year the Team will have a formidable opponent in Hiarcs running on an 8 way box

for that game any assistance is allowed to the team

For Those of you interested in how the game looked to the Res II as it progressed ..
the following table begins after move 9 which was Deep Sjeng's first out of book move

Mo=Move number
TH=Team Hiarcs Move
D1.8=Deep Sjeng's move
Ev=evaluation
Dep=Depth search ..Brute Force/Selective
Er=Expected Reply

moves 29 and 30 were virtually forced moves so i did not let the computer think for the full one hour and therefore there are no entries for Ev,Dep and Er

Mo TH D1.8 Ev Dep Er
10 Bf4 d5 -.75 12/31 Bd3

11 Qe3 Be7 -.70 12/33 Be2

12 Be2 0-0 -.66 12/33 Qg3

13 h4 Bb4 -.55 11/33 e5

14 e5 Nd7 -.33 13/37 Rh3

15 Bxh6 Bxc3 -.36 12/41 bxc3

16 bxc3 f6 -1.12 12/41 Rh3

17 Rh3 Rf7 -1.52 11/38 Rg3

18 Rg3 Qf8 -1.52 11/36 Bh5

19 Bh5 Re7 -1.54 13/41 Bf4

20 Bf4 Nxe5 -1.54 13/35 Bxe5

21 Bxe5 fxe5 -1.47 13/31 Rf3

22 Rf3 Qd8 -1.38 13/36 Qxp

23 Qxp Bd7 -1.68 13/36 Bg6

24 Rd4 Be8 -2.28 12/36 Bg4

25 Bg4 Qb8 -2.71 12/35 Bxe6+

26 Bxe6+ Bf7 -2.87 14/37 Bxf7+

27 Bxf7+ Rxf7 -2.91 14/34 Qe6

28 Qe6 Qe8 -2.95 14/35 Qxf7+

29 Qxf7+ Qxf7 N/A N/A N/A

30 Rxf7 Kxf7 N/A N/A N/A

31 c4 Ke6 -3.08 15/31 Rg4

32 Rg4 Kf7 -3.31 15/32 cxd5

33 cxd5 cxd5 -3.36 15/32 Rg5

1-0

Last Post From The Engine Room Regards
Steve
Good Game, Steve! The Res II played well with no errors, it was simply out-booked.

We even added to theory Steve, Black is busted in that sub-variation.

You're a Good Sport! Regards,
Terry
Black may lose in that variation but I doubt if white could find the right way against better moves

For example 16...Nxe5(suggested by rybka2.3.2a) may be better move than 16...f6

Uri
How about, 16..Nxe5 17.Qxe5 gxh6 18.Rd3 Kh7 19.Rg3 Rg8 20.Rhh3 Ra7 21.Qd4 Rb7 22.Bxa6 Rb8 23.Be2 Rb7 24.Rxg8 Qxg8 25.Rg3 Qh8 26.Bd3+ f5 27.Ba6 Rc7 28.Bxc8 Qxd4 29.cxd4 Rxc8 30.Re3 Re8 31.h5!

I believe Black is busted.

Terry
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Terry McCracken wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Steve B wrote:Well with the Xmas and New Years Holidays upon us this seems like as good a time as any to call it a day

34..RESIGNS

personally i was hoping for something different out of this match but i failed to anticipate being out booked by a strong database which we could have easily prohibited from the start

none the less.. i congratulate the Team for a well fought game

the mystery engine was Deep Sjeng 1.8

starting off the New Year the Team will have a formidable opponent in Hiarcs running on an 8 way box

for that game any assistance is allowed to the team

For Those of you interested in how the game looked to the Res II as it progressed ..
the following table begins after move 9 which was Deep Sjeng's first out of book move

Mo=Move number
TH=Team Hiarcs Move
D1.8=Deep Sjeng's move
Ev=evaluation
Dep=Depth search ..Brute Force/Selective
Er=Expected Reply

moves 29 and 30 were virtually forced moves so i did not let the computer think for the full one hour and therefore there are no entries for Ev,Dep and Er

Mo TH D1.8 Ev Dep Er
10 Bf4 d5 -.75 12/31 Bd3

11 Qe3 Be7 -.70 12/33 Be2

12 Be2 0-0 -.66 12/33 Qg3

13 h4 Bb4 -.55 11/33 e5

14 e5 Nd7 -.33 13/37 Rh3

15 Bxh6 Bxc3 -.36 12/41 bxc3

16 bxc3 f6 -1.12 12/41 Rh3

17 Rh3 Rf7 -1.52 11/38 Rg3

18 Rg3 Qf8 -1.52 11/36 Bh5

19 Bh5 Re7 -1.54 13/41 Bf4

20 Bf4 Nxe5 -1.54 13/35 Bxe5

21 Bxe5 fxe5 -1.47 13/31 Rf3

22 Rf3 Qd8 -1.38 13/36 Qxp

23 Qxp Bd7 -1.68 13/36 Bg6

24 Rd4 Be8 -2.28 12/36 Bg4

25 Bg4 Qb8 -2.71 12/35 Bxe6+

26 Bxe6+ Bf7 -2.87 14/37 Bxf7+

27 Bxf7+ Rxf7 -2.91 14/34 Qe6

28 Qe6 Qe8 -2.95 14/35 Qxf7+

29 Qxf7+ Qxf7 N/A N/A N/A

30 Rxf7 Kxf7 N/A N/A N/A

31 c4 Ke6 -3.08 15/31 Rg4

32 Rg4 Kf7 -3.31 15/32 cxd5

33 cxd5 cxd5 -3.36 15/32 Rg5

1-0

Last Post From The Engine Room Regards
Steve
Good Game, Steve! The Res II played well with no errors, it was simply out-booked.

We even added to theory Steve, Black is busted in that sub-variation.

You're a Good Sport! Regards,
Terry
Black may lose in that variation but I doubt if white could find the right way against better moves

For example 16...Nxe5(suggested by rybka2.3.2a) may be better move than 16...f6

Uri
How about, 16..Nxe5 17.Qxe5 gxh6 18.Rd3 Kh7 19.Rg3 Rg8 20.Rhh3 Ra7 21.Qd4 Rb7 22.Bxa6 Rb8 23.Be2 Rb7 24.Rxg8 Qxg8 25.Rg3 Qh8 26.Bd3+ f5 27.Ba6 Rc7 28.Bxc8 Qxd4 29.cxd4 Rxc8 30.Re3 Re8 31.h5!

I believe Black is busted.

Terry
You may be right
Rybka prefers 21...Rd7 in your line but the score is good for white
1.4/21

Except this move only 18...f6 seems to be a possible alternative earlier in your line(other alternatives are more than 1.5 pawns for white based on rybka).

Note that I also found that rybka after long time changes its mind to 16...f6 that was played in the game and here is the analysis

Maybe deep sjeng on old computer is stronger than rybka32 bit on A3000 because deep sjeng played 16...f6 after one hour of search.

393: The Hiarcs Forum Team - Steve's Res II Engine X, The Real Ultimate Challenge 2007
r1bq1rk1/3n1pp1/p1p1p2B/3pP3/7P/2P1Q3/P1P1BPP1/2KR3R b - - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit :

16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3
= (0.18) Depth: 5 00:00:00
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 f7-f5
² (0.69) Depth: 6 00:00:00 4kN
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 Nd7xe5 18.Qe3xe5 Kg8-h7
² (0.61) Depth: 7 00:00:00 13kN
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 Nd7xe5 18.Qe3xe5 Kg8-h7 19.Rh3-g3
² (0.60) Depth: 8 00:00:00 20kN
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 Nd7xe5 18.Qe3xe5 Kg8-h7 19.Rh3-g3 Rf8-g8
² (0.61) Depth: 9 00:00:00 29kN
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 Nd7xe5 18.Qe3xe5 Kg8-h7 19.Rh3-g3 Rf8-g8 20.Rg3xg8 Kh7xg8 21.Rd1-d3
± (0.76) Depth: 10 00:00:01 52kN
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 Nd7xe5 18.Qe3xe5 Kg8-h7 19.Rh3-g3 Rf8-g8 20.Rg3xg8 Qd8xg8 21.Be2-d3+ f7-f5 22.Qe5-c7+ Qg8-g7
± (0.73) Depth: 11 00:00:04 285kN
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 Nd7xe5 18.Qe3xe5 Kg8-h7 19.Rh3-g3 Rf8-g8 20.Rg3xg8 Kh7xg8 21.Rd1-d3 Kg8-f8 22.Qe5-h8+ Kf8-e7 23.Qh8xh6
± (0.85) Depth: 12 00:00:05 340kN
16...g7xh6 17.Rh1-h3 Nd7xe5 18.Qe3xh6 Bc8-d7 19.f2-f4 Ne5-g6 20.h4-h5 Qd8-f6 21.h5xg6 Qf6-g7
± (1.37) Depth: 13 00:00:12 806kN
16...Nd7xe5 17.Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 18.Qe3xe5+ f7-f6 19.Qe5-g3+ Kg7-h7 20.Qg3-f3 Rf8-f7 21.Rh1-h3 Qd8-f8 22.Be2-d3+ f6-f5 23.Rh3-g3
± (0.86) Depth: 13 00:00:44 3188kN
16...Nd7xe5 17.Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 18.Qe3xe5+ f7-f6 19.Qe5-g3+ Kg7-h7 20.Be2-d3+ f6-f5 21.Rd1-g1 Qd8-a5 22.h4-h5 Rf8-g8 23.Qg3-e5
± (0.91) Depth: 14 00:01:01 4385kN
16...f7-f5 17.Rh1-h3 Rf8-f7 18.Bh6-f4 Ra8-b8 19.Be2-h5 Rf7-f8 20.c3-c4 Qd8-e7 21.c4xd5 c6xd5 22.Qe3-d4
± (0.81) Depth: 14 00:01:11 5154kN
16...f7-f5 17.Rh1-h3 Rf8-f7 18.Bh6-f4 Qd8-a5 19.Be2-h5 Qa5xa2 20.Bh5xf7+ Kg8xf7 21.Kc1-d2 Ra8-b8 22.Rd1-c1 Rb8-b2 23.h4-h5
± (0.87) Depth: 15 00:01:24 6034kN
16...f7-f5 17.Rh1-h3 Rf8-f7 18.Bh6-f4 Qd8-a5 19.Be2-h5 Qa5xa2 20.Bh5xf7+ Kg8xf7 21.Kc1-d2 Ra8-b8 22.Rd1-c1 Rb8-b2 23.h4-h5
± (0.85) Depth: 16 00:01:48 7752kN
16...f7-f5 17.Rh1-h3 Rf8-f7 18.Rh3-g3 Qd8xh4 19.Bh6-f4 Qh4-e7 20.c3-c4 Qe7-c5 21.c4xd5 c6xd5 22.Be2-h5 Qc5xe3+ 23.f2xe3
± (1.03) Depth: 17 00:02:34 10702kN
16...Nd7xe5 17.Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 18.Qe3xe5+ f7-f6 19.Qe5-e3 Rf8-g8 20.h4-h5 Qd8-d6 21.Kc1-d2 Ra8-b8 22.Rd1-b1 Rb8xb1 23.Rh1xb1
± (0.94) Depth: 17 00:07:00 30627kN
16...Nd7xe5 17.Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 18.Qe3xe5+ f7-f6 19.Qe5-e3 Rf8-g8 20.Qe3-c5 Ra8-b8 21.g2-g3 Bc8-d7 22.h4-h5 e6-e5 23.Rh1-h4
± (0.95) Depth: 18 00:10:02 42774kN
16...Nd7xe5 17.Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 18.Qe3xe5+ f7-f6 19.Qe5-e3 Rf8-g8 20.Qe3-c5 Ra8-b8 21.g2-g3 Bc8-d7 22.h4-h5 e6-e5 23.Rh1-h4
± (0.94) Depth: 19 00:15:10 63955kN
16...Nd7xe5 17.Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 18.Qe3xe5+ f7-f6 19.Qe5-e3 Rf8-g8 20.Qe3-c5 Ra8-b8 21.g2-g3 Bc8-d7 22.h4-h5 e6-e5 23.Rh1-h4
± (0.94) Depth: 20 00:25:57 108946kN
16...Nd7xe5 17.Qe3xe5 g7xh6 18.Rh1-h3 f7-f6 19.Rh3-g3+ Kg8-h8 20.Qe5-h5 Ra8-a7 21.Be2-d3 f6-f5 22.Rg3-g6 Ra7-h7 23.Rg6xh6
± (1.08) Depth: 21 01:18:19 277029kN
16...f7-f6 17.Rh1-h3 Rf8-f7 18.Rh3-g3 a6-a5 19.Be2-h5 Rf7-e7 20.e5xf6 Nd7xf6 21.Bh5-f3 Qd8-d6 22.c3-c4 e6-e5 23.c4xd5
± (1.00) Depth: 21 01:57:14 418382kN

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Terry McCracken wrote: How about, 16..Nxe5 17.Qxe5 gxh6 18.Rd3 Kh7 19.Rg3 Rg8 20.Rhh3 Ra7 21.Qd4 Rb7 22.Bxa6 Rb8 23.Be2 Rb7 24.Rxg8 Qxg8 25.Rg3 Qh8 26.Bd3+ f5 27.Ba6 Rc7 28.Bxc8 Qxd4 29.cxd4 Rxc8 30.Re3 Re8 31.h5!

I believe Black is busted.

Terry
My bookline is 16...Nxe5 17.Bxg7! Kxg7 18.Qxe5+ Qf6 19.Qg3+ Kh8 20.Qg5 Qxg5+ 21.hxg5+ Kg7 22.Bd3 Rg8 23.f4 c5 24.Ra7+ Kf8 25.g3 Rg7 26.Rh8+ Ke7 27.c4 Bb7 28.Rxa8 Bxa8 29.cxd5 Bxd5 30.Bxa6
and white is two pawns up and wins the endgame.
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Tony Hedlund wrote:
My bookline is 16...Nxe5 17.Bxg7! Kxg7 18.Qxe5+ Qf6 19.Qg3+ Kh8 20.Qg5 Qxg5+ 21.hxg5+ Kg7 22.Bd3 Rg8 23.f4 c5 24.Ra7+ Kf8 25.g3 Rg7 26.Rh8+ Ke7 27.c4 Bb7 28.Rxa8 Bxa8 29.cxd5 Bxd5 30.Bxa6
and white is two pawns up and wins the endgame.
a 30 move book line!
:shock:
you should have mentioned this back at move 9 and i would have resigned then and saved the poor besiged Deep Sjeng 30 hours of hard work
:P
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Steve B wrote:
Tony Hedlund wrote:
My bookline is 16...Nxe5 17.Bxg7! Kxg7 18.Qxe5+ Qf6 19.Qg3+ Kh8 20.Qg5 Qxg5+ 21.hxg5+ Kg7 22.Bd3 Rg8 23.f4 c5 24.Ra7+ Kf8 25.g3 Rg7 26.Rh8+ Ke7 27.c4 Bb7 28.Rxa8 Bxa8 29.cxd5 Bxd5 30.Bxa6
and white is two pawns up and wins the endgame.
a 30 move book line!
:shock:
you should have mentioned this back at move 9 and i would have resigned then and saved the poor besiged Deep Sjeng 30 hours of hard work
:P
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I've seen book lines over forty moves deep, as a rule they're not to be blindly trusted.

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Tony Hedlund wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote: How about, 16..Nxe5 17.Qxe5 gxh6 18.Rd3 Kh7 19.Rg3 Rg8 20.Rhh3 Ra7 21.Qd4 Rb7 22.Bxa6 Rb8 23.Be2 Rb7 24.Rxg8 Qxg8 25.Rg3 Qh8 26.Bd3+ f5 27.Ba6 Rc7 28.Bxc8 Qxd4 29.cxd4 Rxc8 30.Re3 Re8 31.h5!

I believe Black is busted.

Terry
My bookline is 16...Nxe5 17.Bxg7! Kxg7 18.Qxe5+ Qf6 19.Qg3+ Kh8 20.Qg5 Qxg5+ 21.hxg5+ Kg7 22.Bd3 Rg8 23.f4 c5 24.Ra7+ Kf8 25.g3 Rg7 26.Rh8+ Ke7 27.c4 Bb7 28.Rxa8 Bxa8 29.cxd5 Bxd5 30.Bxa6
and white is two pawns up and wins the endgame.
I did look at the Bishop sac on g7 and it's very good, but the line given here seems to have a few flaws where Black can improve his play, but is most likely lost. In the line you give he's toast!

After 18. Qxe5+..Qf6 appears weak. 18..f6 may be better. After 18..Qf6 19. Qxf6 appears more forcing, but 19. Qg3+ may be equal or very close.

20. Qe3 followed by 21. g4 looks somewhat better than the immediate 20. Qg5..Qxg5 21. hg+ etc. But the difference may be small or meaningless, it would take a great deal of work to be certain.

26..Ke7? does appears to be a blunder, 26..Rg8 is better but is still losing.

So going back to 18. Qxe5+..Qf6 looks like the wrong turn in the road and 18..f6 is clearly better. Nevertheless it appears Black will continue to lose more and more ground over time.

19. Qg3+..Kf7 20. Bh5+..Ke7 21. c4 etc. But winning isn't as easy as it appears. I think 18..Qf6 is cooked.

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Kd2
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rookchess wrote:Kd2
The game is over and Rg5! is stronger which would have been played.

Kd2 can wait in any case.

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Fernando wrote:Mmmmm...I will put your offer in the hands of my legal team.

I smell a rat regards
Fernando

Captain Fern ..it is time to show yourself

the match begins tomorrow!

The next forum challenge is v the machine that defeated Rybka in Mexico and recently won Paderborn. Intel 5355 8x2.66.

The machine will be assisted by the current British correspondence Champion and Sir Sebi - (Nutter of Paderborn) who (Fresh off of their undisputed clear first in Paderborn)have secluded themselves in readiness for the match and move 1

The rules are similar to the recent challenge v the Res II but where the Res II was allowed only 1 hour to ponder Hiarcs will be allowed the full 48 hours as will the Team
Both teams can use Computer assistance. Team Captain must play the moves.

Harvey and Sebi (as they are on their own) get White. If the forum team wants a rematch with reverse colours after suffering a devastating loss(which is almost virtually assured) then this will be considered.

All members are invited to take part.
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In most humiliation I ask to be replaced by someone else as captain. My boring jobs dos not let me, this time, to assume the position. I doubt very much if even I will have time to play a move or two.
I suggest Tony Or Terry as captain, as much as they played most of the moves, expended lot of time studying the game etc.
They deserve the honor.
I do not.
Already facing a firing squad regards
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Fernando wrote: In most humiliation I ask to be replaced by someone else as captain.
Once again the Hiarcs Chess Forum thanks you for your tireless effort in acting as Captain
sadly now you must of course be stripped of your title as Captain

perhaps even more unfortunate..soon you will be paid a visit by a friend of the Elders..

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do not worry
your family will be well taken care of ...

Luca.. Sends His Regards
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