HIARCS Headbangers vs Highendman - Game 2 - (1/2 - 1/2)

Highendman · Post by **Highendman** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:14 am

Sorry, too late. The cat is out of the bag now. On a paraphrase to 'all your bases are belong to us' - I can now say 'all your secrets are belong to us'

The Wizard · Post by **The Wizard** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:09 am

Highendman wrote:Hi, I'm back.

I have a suggestion: in the event I'll need to take another work related time-out, I'll let you know before you need to move (like I did this time) but then your team shouldn't play your move until I'm back - i.e. your side should get the extra clock time while the time-out takes place. I feel uncomfortable having had extra time for this move even though I didn't use it to analyse.

What I did do, is spend time thinking during my flight back to London this afternoon on this position. I just have to share my thought process with you - I know it's not a typical thing to do in the middle of a game, but I got so intrigued that I just have to share this with someone. And as I'm not allowed to consult with anyone per Dark-Horse match rules, you're the only party available

I don't expect an answer though, at least not until after the match.

When I played 14. ..Rxe5, I had the following line in mind (imho all moves by both sides are pretty much forced or at least best though I could be wrong and you've find something different for White) -

14... Rxe5 15. Bf4 Nh5 16. Bh2 Qe7 17. Be2 Rg5 18. Bd6 Bxh3 19. Bxh5 Bd4+ 20. Qxd4 Rxg2+ 21. Kh1 Qh4 22. Rf4 Qg3 23. Rf2 Qxf2 24. Qxf2 Rxf2 25. Be2 Rd8 26. Bc5 Bg2+ 27. Kg1 (or Kh2 - not sure what's better) Rxe2 28. Nxe2 Bxe4

And that's why I said that I believe black has a forcing drawing line after you followed up with 18. Bd6 which was the move I expected.

Now, during my flight back I started thinking about that end-game position. I love end-games - my first Cluster win was via a nice end-game manoeuvre. And a sense of danger / paranoia is vital here hehe.

And I started thinking that you may be seeing a lot further, and allowed this sort of position trying to lure me into this end-game, and actually if you find a way to exchange the Q side pawns (instead of being left with a 'blind bishop' and A pawn, or letting me exchange my bishop for your knight - both were my drawing plans) then you could try to win my king side pawns via opposition and moving your king forward - and with all pawns off the board - I'm toast. White wins.

So when I arrived home now I started analysing this ending a bit deeper with the computer. And the computer is quite happy that black holds the draw. But computers suck at these sort of long term end-game plan finding. At least the only engine I know and use is terrible at that.

So now I need to figure out whether Black can hold a draw there, or do I need to go for the far worse continuation on move 18, which is something I never planned before.

Well, the net of this excessive and uncalled for sharing of information from my end is that IF your team has indeed analysed this ending as far back as move 14 (which I did) however you have found a winning plan for white (which I now mentally formulated, but not yet confirmed or refuted) and you allowed me to aspire to reach this ending under my initial false feel that it's a drawn ending - then I am super awe struck and just got a sense of how deep and far one needs to look ahead in a correspondence chess game and what sort of decoy plan one needs to employ in order to win this sort of game.

I'm curious as hell to see your analysis after the game is over and see if that's indeed what you've planned to do / reach!

Anyway - I have until Friday morning to decide what to do next per Dark-Horse note to me. I'm going to have to use every bit of it. As paranoia has struck and my sense of danger / fear is now high.

Hope you take this bla bla from me in a good spirit, as you like me share the passion for this game and the excitement I had now thinking that you may have set such a long term trap for me just amazed me.

Stay tuned for my move soon

Hi,
I think this is where I say some of us did not agree with 6.Bd3 (6.Bc4) or some of the moves after that although I was away for 3 weeks on holiday and democracy rules or is that sucks hahahhahaha

Regards

PS: The same applies to the other game aswel lmao

turbojuice1122 · Post by **turbojuice1122** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:31 am

Highendman wrote:I can now say 'all your secrets are belong to us'

I think that the analogy would be more along the lines of "all your secret are belong to us", since the original correct translation would have been "all of your bases belong to us". However, I guess that now you're thinking more along the lines of "someone set up us the bomb".

Highendman · Post by **Highendman** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:01 pm

18. ..Qd8

Dark Horse · Post by **Dark Horse** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:46 pm

19.h4

Highendman · Post by **Highendman** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:04 pm

Thanks.

19. ..Rg4

So... did you analyse that end-game I outlined earlier and have found a winning plan? I spent a couple of hours on it, and the computer kept saying it's drawn, and I kept not believing it. Not being able to prove or refute, I opted for this inferior instead position lol.

Dark Horse · Post by **Dark Horse** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:49 am

20.Bxg4

well some members of the team suspected you would go with Qd8....

Highendman · Post by **Highendman** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:30 am

Thanks.

20. ..Bxg4

I still can't tell what is the 'truth' of that position and whether black holds a draw in that alternate universe.

Dark Horse · Post by **Dark Horse** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:22 am

to be honest neither can we.. its a position that needs to be played out.. room for a lot of study...

Highendman · Post by **Highendman** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:27 am

I appreciate you saying that.
Means my paranoia about you finding a winning plan and me stepping into a trap may have been exaggerated

I wasn't planning on that Qd8 position, rather that ending back from move 14, but chickened out at the last minute hehe.

Dark Horse · Post by **Dark Horse** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:04 am

well it would have been very obvious once you read our analysis after the game

Dark Horse · Post by **Dark Horse** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:59 pm

21.Rf2

Highendman · Post by **Highendman** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:03 pm

Thanks.

21. ..Be6

Dark Horse · Post by **Dark Horse** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:29 am

22.e5

Highendman · Post by **Highendman** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:31 am

Thank you.

22. ..Qxh4