Now try Venezuela i believe only me;i know a couple of guys that has one dedicated chess machine each of them but no interest in collect, the most of the people i know they have just chess software no interest in dedicated chess machines. I also believe Europe is were this hobby is alive and well.
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Ricardo
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A question that about sums it up for us like the Dedicated Chess Machine is this, if you had to choose a PC, PDA, Tablet ... to play chess machine would you take? Surely the dedicated micros have a machine we'd get, I'm sure in the far future the only survivors of electronic chess will be the prehistoric Dedicated Micros, I still have my first chess computer that I'm not selling it, these machines you take them love and are masterpieces of electrical engineering, not for them over time, the problem is that we live in a frenetic world where everything changes very quickly and people just want the latest technology, if you are playing with Micro Dedicated see it as a toy.
From what I see in the forums in some countries there are very few who kept the flame of love by dedicated buses, in Spain for example there are many very good fans and collectors, in my case I like to have machines to play with and I have fortunate that there are very good machines in the range 1900 - 2100 Elo
Since my youth I was fascinated to see that a chess computer could beat a human and this is something that fascinates me and still amazes me today, I guess now the sense of wonder in this area is not like before......
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From what I see in the forums in some countries there are very few who kept the flame of love by dedicated buses, in Spain for example there are many very good fans and collectors, in my case I like to have machines to play with and I have fortunate that there are very good machines in the range 1900 - 2100 Elo
Since my youth I was fascinated to see that a chess computer could beat a human and this is something that fascinates me and still amazes me today, I guess now the sense of wonder in this area is not like before......
Regards....
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i know this feeling exactlyIA wrote:
Since my youth I was fascinated to see that a chess computer could beat a human and this is something that fascinates me and still amazes me today, I guess now the sense of wonder in this area is not like before......
Regards....
i still remember when i bought my first chess computer
the Fidelity CC1
I was amazed that an electrical machine could play a whole game of chess making legal moves
of course It played very weakly and the notation was all wrong but it still amazed me
Prehistoric Regards
Steve
What i also have talked with diferent people about collecting dedicated chess machines is that they would like to have them and there is nothing like sitting in front of a real board but their prices are higher than a chess software so they mostly decides for a chess software.
prices regards
Ricardo
prices regards
Ricardo
Having been into electronic gadgets such as desktop computers, laptops (especially minis), pocketpcs and now the iPad & iTouch, in a big way, (and having written some major computer software, not chess-based, in C and compiled basic some years back), here's my take on what happened:
Originally, the dedicated chess computers ruled because they provided an overall superior experience (the real pieces, board and firmware) over the rather primitive 'microcomputers' and software of the late '70s to mid '80s. However, as the computers got more powerful and the chess software improved from the late '80s and into the '90s, the dedicated chess boards started to take a real hit.
The next influential development was the introduction of the Palm Pilot & PocketPCs and subsequent availabiliy of increasingly powerful chess software for them in the late '90s and into 2000 and beyond. Now you could take a good chess game & opponent anywhere in your pocket which sliced off another substantial segment of the dedicated board market.
The final blow was the introduction of the iPhone/iTouch/iPad. Now you have a choice of dozens upon dozens of chess apps, including powerful engines and openings training software and you can both take it in your pocket for the most portable experience or play on a beautiful fuller size 'hi-def' board on an iPad.
But, all that said, I believe there will always be a market for dedicated machines because, in the end, a lot of us want the experience of a physical board and pieces. But it's going to be a small niche market...unfortunately. I am a collector only insofar as I want to have a few of the better boards in good condition without having to find in the future that I have to wait in vain for them to come up for sale on places like eBay.
Originally, the dedicated chess computers ruled because they provided an overall superior experience (the real pieces, board and firmware) over the rather primitive 'microcomputers' and software of the late '70s to mid '80s. However, as the computers got more powerful and the chess software improved from the late '80s and into the '90s, the dedicated chess boards started to take a real hit.
The next influential development was the introduction of the Palm Pilot & PocketPCs and subsequent availabiliy of increasingly powerful chess software for them in the late '90s and into 2000 and beyond. Now you could take a good chess game & opponent anywhere in your pocket which sliced off another substantial segment of the dedicated board market.
The final blow was the introduction of the iPhone/iTouch/iPad. Now you have a choice of dozens upon dozens of chess apps, including powerful engines and openings training software and you can both take it in your pocket for the most portable experience or play on a beautiful fuller size 'hi-def' board on an iPad.
But, all that said, I believe there will always be a market for dedicated machines because, in the end, a lot of us want the experience of a physical board and pieces. But it's going to be a small niche market...unfortunately. I am a collector only insofar as I want to have a few of the better boards in good condition without having to find in the future that I have to wait in vain for them to come up for sale on places like eBay.
There is still something else, 90% of the population that play chess in the world does not have a rating above 1800 fide elo. So mainly the people that buys a strong software they do it for the price and not because they expect to get to a grand master level , most of them do not have the time to spend to get to that level; they work in something else and play chess on their free time and also you can get some strong chess engines even for free. So the market is still out there and people do this mainly for price.
But there is nothing like touching a piece of chess over a real board and that is what mostly people had told me when i talk about this issue.
more price regards
Ricardo
But there is nothing like touching a piece of chess over a real board and that is what mostly people had told me when i talk about this issue.
more price regards
Ricardo
Peter may have an interest in a few selected models, but his main interestSteve B wrote:
Cmon Larry
i know Peter Parr has some interest in the oldies so right there you have one more
Up To 4 Regards
Steve
is in top level over the board chess. He's a fairly strong player himself. He
was Australia's number one chess computer importer and retailer for some
time, so he was the one to ask for advice on strength, reliability and such.
I bought my Elegance from him, still one of my prized possessions.
Peter is not what you would call a collector.
LH
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While its not the V5 this seems a good a thread as any to post a few games for the Fidelity EAG V4
The V4 is a V2 with added Hash table memory
1024K.. almost ten times the ram of a normal V2(128k)
Selective search does not have a rating for the V4 but it does show the V2 at 1983 so of course the V4 would be somewhat higher
the opponent is the Novag Jade II..Tipping the Elo scales at 1952(Selective Search) this should be a fairly even match
TC-Game/30 Min.J2 has white
In the Game the V4 was out of book after only 3 moves!
after a nice early sac of a P by the V4 to deny the J2 castling rights ..the J2 decides to return the favor..sacing the P back a few moves later which in turn throws the game into a bizarre slug fest with neither side castling ,each computer developing its B at e3(6) hemming in the advance its e pawn
eventually the J2 wins a P ,followed by the win of the exchange and finally the game
[Date "2011.10.14"]
[White "Novag Jade II"]
[Black "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Time Control "Game-30 Min."]
[Result "1-0"]
1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 c6 3.d4 Nf6 4.Ne5 dxc4 5.Nxc4 c5 6.dxc5 Qxd1+ 7.Kxd1 Ne4
8.Be3 Na6 9.c6 bxc6 10.g3 Be6 11.Bg2 Bd5 12.Rg1 Nec5 13.Nbd2 Rd8 14.Ne5
Bxg2 15.Rxg2 Rc8 16.h3 f6 17.Rc1 e6 18.Nef3 Rb8 19.b3 e5 20.Rc4 Be7
21.Nh4 Rb7 22.Nf5 Bf8 23.Kc2 g6 24.Nh6 Ne6 25.Kb1 c5 26.Ng4 Be7 27.Bh6
Nb4 28.Rg1 Nd4 29.Bg7 Rg8 30.Nxf6+ Bxf6 31.Bxf6 Rf8 32.Ne4 Rb6 33.Bxe5
Nxe2 34.Rd1 Na6 35.Bg7 Rf7 36.Nd6+ Rxd6 37.Rxd6 Rxg7 38.Re4+ Re7
39.Rxe7+ Kxe7 40.Rxa6 Nc3+ 41.Kc2 Ne4 42.Rxa7+ Kd6 43.Rxh7 Nxf2 44.h4 Ng4
45.Kd3 Kd5 46.Rd7+ Ke6 47.Rg7 Kd5 48.Rg8 Ne5+
49.Ke3 Ke6 50.Ke4 Kf6 51.Rc8 Nd7 52.a3 Ke7 53.Rc6 Kf7 54.Kf4 Nf8 55.Ke5
Nd7+ 56.Kd6 Nf6 57.Rc7+ Kf8 58.Ke5 Ng4+ 59.Ke6 Ne3 60.Rxc5 Nf5 61.Kf6
Ke8 62.h5 Nxg3 63.Re5+ Kf8 64.hxg6 *
FINAL POSITION
[fen]5k2/8/5KP1/4R3/8/PP4n1/8/8 W - - 0 64[/fen]
Jade II announces a mate in 3 here
Jaded Regards
Steve
The V4 is a V2 with added Hash table memory
1024K.. almost ten times the ram of a normal V2(128k)
Selective search does not have a rating for the V4 but it does show the V2 at 1983 so of course the V4 would be somewhat higher
the opponent is the Novag Jade II..Tipping the Elo scales at 1952(Selective Search) this should be a fairly even match
TC-Game/30 Min.J2 has white
In the Game the V4 was out of book after only 3 moves!
after a nice early sac of a P by the V4 to deny the J2 castling rights ..the J2 decides to return the favor..sacing the P back a few moves later which in turn throws the game into a bizarre slug fest with neither side castling ,each computer developing its B at e3(6) hemming in the advance its e pawn
eventually the J2 wins a P ,followed by the win of the exchange and finally the game
[Date "2011.10.14"]
[White "Novag Jade II"]
[Black "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Time Control "Game-30 Min."]
[Result "1-0"]
1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 c6 3.d4 Nf6 4.Ne5 dxc4 5.Nxc4 c5 6.dxc5 Qxd1+ 7.Kxd1 Ne4
8.Be3 Na6 9.c6 bxc6 10.g3 Be6 11.Bg2 Bd5 12.Rg1 Nec5 13.Nbd2 Rd8 14.Ne5
Bxg2 15.Rxg2 Rc8 16.h3 f6 17.Rc1 e6 18.Nef3 Rb8 19.b3 e5 20.Rc4 Be7
21.Nh4 Rb7 22.Nf5 Bf8 23.Kc2 g6 24.Nh6 Ne6 25.Kb1 c5 26.Ng4 Be7 27.Bh6
Nb4 28.Rg1 Nd4 29.Bg7 Rg8 30.Nxf6+ Bxf6 31.Bxf6 Rf8 32.Ne4 Rb6 33.Bxe5
Nxe2 34.Rd1 Na6 35.Bg7 Rf7 36.Nd6+ Rxd6 37.Rxd6 Rxg7 38.Re4+ Re7
39.Rxe7+ Kxe7 40.Rxa6 Nc3+ 41.Kc2 Ne4 42.Rxa7+ Kd6 43.Rxh7 Nxf2 44.h4 Ng4
45.Kd3 Kd5 46.Rd7+ Ke6 47.Rg7 Kd5 48.Rg8 Ne5+
49.Ke3 Ke6 50.Ke4 Kf6 51.Rc8 Nd7 52.a3 Ke7 53.Rc6 Kf7 54.Kf4 Nf8 55.Ke5
Nd7+ 56.Kd6 Nf6 57.Rc7+ Kf8 58.Ke5 Ng4+ 59.Ke6 Ne3 60.Rxc5 Nf5 61.Kf6
Ke8 62.h5 Nxg3 63.Re5+ Kf8 64.hxg6 *
FINAL POSITION
[fen]5k2/8/5KP1/4R3/8/PP4n1/8/8 W - - 0 64[/fen]
Jade II announces a mate in 3 here
Jaded Regards
Steve
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We reverse colors and give white to the V4
In the Game the J2 is out of book after move 5
J2 completely overwhelms the V4 winning material early on then liquidating down to a 3 P advantage
complete domination by the Jade
[Date "2011.10.15"]
[White "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Black "Novag Jade II"]
[TimeControl "Game-30 Min.]
[Result "0-1"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 Nbd7 4.Nf3 g6 5.e3 Bg7 6.Bd3 h6 7.Bf4 c5 8.Nb5
O-O 9.O-O a6 10.Nc7 Ra7 11.Qd2 b6 12.Qe2 Rxc7 13.Bxc7 Qxc7 14.Bxa6 cxd4
15.Bxc8 Rxc8 16.exd4 Qxc2 17.Qxe7 Qxb2 18.Rfb1 Qc2 19.a3 Qe4 20.Qd6 Rc2
21.Re1 Qf5 22.Qb4 Ne4 23.Rac1 Nxf2 24.Rxc2 Qxc2 25.Qd6 Nd3 26.Qxd7 Bxd4+
27.Kh1 Nxe1 28.Qe8+ Kg7 29.Qxe1 Bb2 30.Qg1 b5 31.Qe1 Qd3 32.h3 Qxa3
33.Qd1 Qa1 34.Qg1 Qxg1+ 35.Kxg1 Bc3 36.Kf2 b4 37.Ke3 b3 38.Kd3 b2 39.Kc2
f5 40.Kb1 Kf6 41.Ng1 d4 42.Ne2 Ke5 43.g3 Ke4 44.h4 Ke3 45.Nf4 d3 46.Nd5+
Kd4 47.Nf4 d2 48.Ne2+ Kd3 49.Nf4+ Kc4 50.Kc2 b1=Q+ 51.Kxb1 d1=Q+ 52.Ka2
Qa1# 0-1
FINAL POSITION
[fen]8/8/6pp/5p2/2k2N1P/2b3P1/K7/q7 w - - 0 53[/fen]
The V4 Needs A good Glass Of V8 Regards
Steve
In the Game the J2 is out of book after move 5
J2 completely overwhelms the V4 winning material early on then liquidating down to a 3 P advantage
complete domination by the Jade
[Date "2011.10.15"]
[White "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Black "Novag Jade II"]
[TimeControl "Game-30 Min.]
[Result "0-1"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 Nbd7 4.Nf3 g6 5.e3 Bg7 6.Bd3 h6 7.Bf4 c5 8.Nb5
O-O 9.O-O a6 10.Nc7 Ra7 11.Qd2 b6 12.Qe2 Rxc7 13.Bxc7 Qxc7 14.Bxa6 cxd4
15.Bxc8 Rxc8 16.exd4 Qxc2 17.Qxe7 Qxb2 18.Rfb1 Qc2 19.a3 Qe4 20.Qd6 Rc2
21.Re1 Qf5 22.Qb4 Ne4 23.Rac1 Nxf2 24.Rxc2 Qxc2 25.Qd6 Nd3 26.Qxd7 Bxd4+
27.Kh1 Nxe1 28.Qe8+ Kg7 29.Qxe1 Bb2 30.Qg1 b5 31.Qe1 Qd3 32.h3 Qxa3
33.Qd1 Qa1 34.Qg1 Qxg1+ 35.Kxg1 Bc3 36.Kf2 b4 37.Ke3 b3 38.Kd3 b2 39.Kc2
f5 40.Kb1 Kf6 41.Ng1 d4 42.Ne2 Ke5 43.g3 Ke4 44.h4 Ke3 45.Nf4 d3 46.Nd5+
Kd4 47.Nf4 d2 48.Ne2+ Kd3 49.Nf4+ Kc4 50.Kc2 b1=Q+ 51.Kxb1 d1=Q+ 52.Ka2
Qa1# 0-1
FINAL POSITION
[fen]8/8/6pp/5p2/2k2N1P/2b3P1/K7/q7 w - - 0 53[/fen]
The V4 Needs A good Glass Of V8 Regards
Steve
Very interesting Steve! What do you make of it?
On paper the two of them would appear to have similar ELOs, yet the Jade II doesn't even have Hash table memory does it? I'm wondering whether the Jade's ELO isn't closer to the 2048 I've seen listed. Also, wondering how the Novag Amber would fare here. It seems to be close to the Jade II, but with some extra window-dressing.
Why oh why didn't Novag put (at least) the Jade II firmware in the Star Opal regards,
Dave
On paper the two of them would appear to have similar ELOs, yet the Jade II doesn't even have Hash table memory does it? I'm wondering whether the Jade's ELO isn't closer to the 2048 I've seen listed. Also, wondering how the Novag Amber would fare here. It seems to be close to the Jade II, but with some extra window-dressing.
Why oh why didn't Novag put (at least) the Jade II firmware in the Star Opal regards,
Dave
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Hi DaveSirDave wrote:Very interesting Steve! What do you make of it?
On paper the two of them would appear to have similar ELOs, yet the Jade II doesn't even have Hash table memory does it? I'm wondering whether the Jade's ELO isn't closer to the 2048 I've seen listed. Also, wondering how the Novag Amber would fare here. It seems to be close to the Jade II, but with some extra window-dressing.
Why oh why didn't Novag put the Jade II firmware in the Star Opal regards,
Dave
the 2048 rating for the Jade II is a Wiki Active chess rating..(30 sec per move ) but the Wiki page for the Jade II shows it at 1940 which is even a bit lower then the SS rating for it
AFAIK the Amber has almost the same exact strength and program as the Jade II but in a different housing
i dont think either Novag have extra Hash Table Ram for endgames
i think the benefits of the V4's extra ram really cant show itself in these short time control games
i am running a longer game at tournament time controls of 40/2.. this time against a Saitek-Morsch program to see if the V4 can redeem itself in front of all of these people
Last Chance Before Booted To Ebay Regards
Steve
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In an effort to give the V4 one last chance to redeem itself after the
shellacking it received at the hands of the Jade II we change opponents to the
Saitek Cosmos ..rated 2022 by Selective Search
In order to make use of the V4's 1 Meg of ram ..this game was at Full Metal Jacket ..
40/2 tournament level and Tournament books on for each computer
Each computer searched about 3000-3500 positions per second and generally completed a 7 ply search
V4 had white
In The Game the Cosmos was out of book after move 8
Unlike the last two tactical melee's ..this game was a positional battle with the V4 slowly mounting what
looked like a ferocious K side attack ..however the V4 instead of continuing the attack ..chooses to win a pawn
and as a result sees its attack fizzle out which also allows the Cosmos to mount its own heavy piece counter attack
the V4 manages to survive this role reversal but is forced to repeat the position and settle for the draw
[Date "2011.10.15"]
[White "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Black "Saitek Cosmos"]
[Time Control "40/2 Hrs."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 Be7
8.O-O-O O-O 9.f4 d5 10.e5 Ne8 11.Bxe7 Qxe7 12.Kb1 Nxd4 13.Qxd4 b6 14.Be2
Bb7 15.f5 Rd8 16.Rhf1 exf5 17.Rxf5 Nc7 18.Rdf1 Ne6 19.Qg4 Nc5 20.Rg5 Ne6
21.Rh5 Nc5 22.Nb5 Ne4 23.Bd3 Nd2+ 24.Kc1 Ne4 25.Nd6 Bc8 26.Nxc8 Rxc8
27.Bxe4 dxe4 28.Qxe4 g6 29.Rh3 Rc5 30.Re3 Rfc8 31.c3 Ra5 32.Kb1 Qe6
33.a3 Re8 34.Qf3 Rd5 35.h3 Red8 36.g4 Rd2 37.Ka1 a5 38.Ree1 R8d3 39.Re3
Rd8 40.Rb1 Qb3 41.Qf6 Rd1 42.Re1 Qc2 43.Rexd1 Rxd1 44.Rxd1 Qxd1+ 45.Ka2
Qd5+ 46.b3 Qd3 47.c4 Qc2+ 48.Ka1 Qxb3 49.Qd8+ Kg7 50.Qf6+ Kg8 51.Qd8+
Kg7 52.Qf6+ Kg8 1/2-1/2
FINAL POSITION
[fen]6k1/5p1p/1p3Qp1/p3P3/2P3P1/Pq5P/8/K7 w - - 0 53[/fen]
A draw against a 2000+ opponent is nothing to be ashamed about but over the three games ..this is hardly an impressive performance
V does not stand for Victory Regards
Steve
shellacking it received at the hands of the Jade II we change opponents to the
Saitek Cosmos ..rated 2022 by Selective Search
In order to make use of the V4's 1 Meg of ram ..this game was at Full Metal Jacket ..
40/2 tournament level and Tournament books on for each computer
Each computer searched about 3000-3500 positions per second and generally completed a 7 ply search
V4 had white
In The Game the Cosmos was out of book after move 8
Unlike the last two tactical melee's ..this game was a positional battle with the V4 slowly mounting what
looked like a ferocious K side attack ..however the V4 instead of continuing the attack ..chooses to win a pawn
and as a result sees its attack fizzle out which also allows the Cosmos to mount its own heavy piece counter attack
the V4 manages to survive this role reversal but is forced to repeat the position and settle for the draw
[Date "2011.10.15"]
[White "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Black "Saitek Cosmos"]
[Time Control "40/2 Hrs."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 Be7
8.O-O-O O-O 9.f4 d5 10.e5 Ne8 11.Bxe7 Qxe7 12.Kb1 Nxd4 13.Qxd4 b6 14.Be2
Bb7 15.f5 Rd8 16.Rhf1 exf5 17.Rxf5 Nc7 18.Rdf1 Ne6 19.Qg4 Nc5 20.Rg5 Ne6
21.Rh5 Nc5 22.Nb5 Ne4 23.Bd3 Nd2+ 24.Kc1 Ne4 25.Nd6 Bc8 26.Nxc8 Rxc8
27.Bxe4 dxe4 28.Qxe4 g6 29.Rh3 Rc5 30.Re3 Rfc8 31.c3 Ra5 32.Kb1 Qe6
33.a3 Re8 34.Qf3 Rd5 35.h3 Red8 36.g4 Rd2 37.Ka1 a5 38.Ree1 R8d3 39.Re3
Rd8 40.Rb1 Qb3 41.Qf6 Rd1 42.Re1 Qc2 43.Rexd1 Rxd1 44.Rxd1 Qxd1+ 45.Ka2
Qd5+ 46.b3 Qd3 47.c4 Qc2+ 48.Ka1 Qxb3 49.Qd8+ Kg7 50.Qf6+ Kg8 51.Qd8+
Kg7 52.Qf6+ Kg8 1/2-1/2
FINAL POSITION
[fen]6k1/5p1p/1p3Qp1/p3P3/2P3P1/Pq5P/8/K7 w - - 0 53[/fen]
A draw against a 2000+ opponent is nothing to be ashamed about but over the three games ..this is hardly an impressive performance
V does not stand for Victory Regards
Steve
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Encouraged by the Draw against the Cosmos the EAG V4 insisted i
let it have another go at a Novag but this time at Tournament time
controls
As Dave mentioned the Amber earlier it seemed a logical choice
Selective Search shows the same exact rating for Ms. Amber as it
shows for the Jade II...1952
Full Metal Jacket Conditions..
40/2...Tournament books
Amber has White
The Physical disparity of the protagonists is striking...
In the Game ..
Amber was first to leave her book after 4 moves
Undoubtedly lulled into a false sense of security after viewing the
games played by the Jade II...Ms. Amber played a bit too carelessly
totally ignoring the V4's slow build up of pieces aimed at her K
finally..with the Iron Hot and every one of the V4's pieces aimed
directly at the White K ..the V4 sac's a N which was totally
unexpected by Amber
as the dust settles and the clouds of battle clear..V4 is up 2P's
soon to win a 3rd
The Rest was a matter of technique
[Date "2011.10.16"]
[White "Novag Amber"]
[Black "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Time Control "40/2"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 Bg4 5.d5 Nce7 6.Qb3 Qc8 7.h3 Bd7 8.e4 f5
9.Bd3 fxe4 10.Nxe4 Nf6 11.O-O Bf5 12.Nxf6+ gxf6 13.Bxf5 Nxf5 14.Qa4+ Qd7
15.Qxd7+ Kxd7 16.Re1 Rg8 17.g3 c6 18.Rd1 Re8 19.Kg2 Kc7 20.dxc6 bxc6
21.b4 Re7 22.Rb1 Kc8 23.a3 Reg7 24.Rb2 h5 25.Re2 Be7 26.Rdd2 Bd8 27.Bb2
Bb6 28.Rd3 Nxg3 29.fxg3 Rxg3+ 30.Kh2 e4 31.Rd1 Rxf3 32.Bd4 Bc7 33.Rg2
d5+ 34.Kg1 Rxg2+ 35.Kxg2 Rg3+ 36.Kf2 Rxh3 37.cxd5 cxd5 38.Bxa7 Rxa3
39.Bc5 Rf3+ 40.Ke2 Rf5 41.b5 Kb7 42.Ke3 Bb6 43.Bxb6 Kxb6 44.Rb1 Rf3+
45.Ke2 d4 46.Rh1 d3+ 47.Kd2 Kxb5 48.Rh4 Rf2+ 49.Kc3 d2 50.Rxh5+ f5
51.Rh1 e3 52.Kd3 f4 53.Rg1 Kb4 54.Ra1 Rh2 55.Rg1 Rh5 56.Rb1+ Ka3 57.Rf1
Kb2 58.Rg1 Rd5+ 59.Ke2 Kc2 60.Rd1 f3+ *
FINAL POSITION
[fen]8/8/8/3r4/8/4pp2/2kpK3/3R4 w - - 0 61[/fen]
Ms Amber was showing a -15.41 here so i resigned for her
From this small sample of only 4 games we can see that the V4 plays
up to its rating at longer time controls..but its certainly not a computer i would place my money on in an Active Chess Match
Worth The Wait Regards
Steve
let it have another go at a Novag but this time at Tournament time
controls
As Dave mentioned the Amber earlier it seemed a logical choice
Selective Search shows the same exact rating for Ms. Amber as it
shows for the Jade II...1952
Full Metal Jacket Conditions..
40/2...Tournament books
Amber has White
The Physical disparity of the protagonists is striking...
In the Game ..
Amber was first to leave her book after 4 moves
Undoubtedly lulled into a false sense of security after viewing the
games played by the Jade II...Ms. Amber played a bit too carelessly
totally ignoring the V4's slow build up of pieces aimed at her K
finally..with the Iron Hot and every one of the V4's pieces aimed
directly at the White K ..the V4 sac's a N which was totally
unexpected by Amber
as the dust settles and the clouds of battle clear..V4 is up 2P's
soon to win a 3rd
The Rest was a matter of technique
[Date "2011.10.16"]
[White "Novag Amber"]
[Black "Fidelity EAG V4"]
[Time Control "40/2"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 Bg4 5.d5 Nce7 6.Qb3 Qc8 7.h3 Bd7 8.e4 f5
9.Bd3 fxe4 10.Nxe4 Nf6 11.O-O Bf5 12.Nxf6+ gxf6 13.Bxf5 Nxf5 14.Qa4+ Qd7
15.Qxd7+ Kxd7 16.Re1 Rg8 17.g3 c6 18.Rd1 Re8 19.Kg2 Kc7 20.dxc6 bxc6
21.b4 Re7 22.Rb1 Kc8 23.a3 Reg7 24.Rb2 h5 25.Re2 Be7 26.Rdd2 Bd8 27.Bb2
Bb6 28.Rd3 Nxg3 29.fxg3 Rxg3+ 30.Kh2 e4 31.Rd1 Rxf3 32.Bd4 Bc7 33.Rg2
d5+ 34.Kg1 Rxg2+ 35.Kxg2 Rg3+ 36.Kf2 Rxh3 37.cxd5 cxd5 38.Bxa7 Rxa3
39.Bc5 Rf3+ 40.Ke2 Rf5 41.b5 Kb7 42.Ke3 Bb6 43.Bxb6 Kxb6 44.Rb1 Rf3+
45.Ke2 d4 46.Rh1 d3+ 47.Kd2 Kxb5 48.Rh4 Rf2+ 49.Kc3 d2 50.Rxh5+ f5
51.Rh1 e3 52.Kd3 f4 53.Rg1 Kb4 54.Ra1 Rh2 55.Rg1 Rh5 56.Rb1+ Ka3 57.Rf1
Kb2 58.Rg1 Rd5+ 59.Ke2 Kc2 60.Rd1 f3+ *
FINAL POSITION
[fen]8/8/8/3r4/8/4pp2/2kpK3/3R4 w - - 0 61[/fen]
Ms Amber was showing a -15.41 here so i resigned for her
From this small sample of only 4 games we can see that the V4 plays
up to its rating at longer time controls..but its certainly not a computer i would place my money on in an Active Chess Match
Worth The Wait Regards
Steve
As always Steve, these match-ups are of great interest. As you may recall, I have the Amber (though mine is the male version which may make a difference 
), courtesy of M. Plastique's Ebay sale not too long ago, so I found this game particularly interesting. The Amber is presently my preferred traveling unit replacing the Saitek Advanced & Expert Travel due to the size advantage. Also like the design of my Saitek Travel 2080 which one doesn't see mentioned much, but the Amber is, of course, a definite cut above it.
If you happen to have some time to burn, would love to see a rematch of those two (EAG & Amber), given that the Jade II (as far as we know being reincarnated as the Amber) did so much better.
), courtesy of M. Plastique's Ebay sale not too long ago, so I found this game particularly interesting. The Amber is presently my preferred traveling unit replacing the Saitek Advanced & Expert Travel due to the size advantage. Also like the design of my Saitek Travel 2080 which one doesn't see mentioned much, but the Amber is, of course, a definite cut above it.If you happen to have some time to burn, would love to see a rematch of those two (EAG & Amber), given that the Jade II (as far as we know being reincarnated as the Amber) did so much better.